We're Voting BNP...

[WACCOE]

...was the heading on the leaflet I got delivered t'other day.
Had a good read through and they raise some very good points, althought some are shocking...the majority I, and everyone i've spoke to about this in my area, agrees with.
Just thought i'd give you an idea of what it said, to see what you think.

This was Jeff Kelly, York's Local BNP Candidate..."I want to put a stop to the pensioners being parted from their hard earned life savings to pay for health care when foreigners are given health care and other benefits for nothing".

Here are the policies...
NO to anti-social behaviour - it's time to get tough on the yobs who are making life a ngihtmare for the law abiding majority. People should feel safe to walk the street at any time of the day!
NO to asylum seekers - they come here and get everything handed to them on a plate - at your expense. The BNP say put British people first.
NO to council tax rises - Blah Blah...Council Tax shouldn't go up every year - and neither should councillors' wages!
NO to the veil - the BNP would ban the wering of the full face veil in public places like schools - it's divisive to community relatons and makes terrorism and illegal immigration easy.
YES to more police on the street - the only way to get tough on crime is get police back where they belong - on the beat. Not persecuting motorists or filling in paperwork in their offices.
YES to weekly rubbish collections - BNP coucillors will campaign to stop Labour's short-sighted 'Pay As You Throw' stealth tax and rubbish collection cutbacks.
YES to a better NHS - the BNP are commited to building a 1st class NHS. We oppose Labour's cuts and looting the 3rd World for cheap staff instead of paying English nurses proper wages.
YES to celebrating British culture - rather than ploughing money into minority events the council should promote OUR cultures and traditions - like St. George's Day celebrations.
And a few more in smaller print towards the bottom of the page...
Stop all finger printing of our children! What on earth in the world coming to when 5-year old kids are getting finger prints taken in the way to school?
Lead the campaign to get Sarah's Law introduced in York so that parents have the right to know where serious sex offenders live - paedophiles have no rights.
Get the police out on the streets cracking down hard on local yobs who make decent peoples' lives a misery. at the same time we must provide something for them to do.

For more info - www.bnp.org.uk (http://www.bnp.org.uk)

A good read I thought, and opened my eyes a bit.
From what I can gather they're going to get quite a big following around here after this leaflet.
Mmmm.

[damien©]

Well whatever you think about the BNP they are the only one's that are following the concerns of the British People, obviously there is "dodgy" reasons behind all that. However they are saying alot of what People want to hear, and alot of things that for some reaosn have never been brought in.

I really never understood why England doesn't celebrate St George's Day, I also think there should be a British Day aswell probably better off doing that on the Day Scotland Signed the Union. All great landmarks and ways in which you can show, learn and appreciate a diverse country and all it's different traditions.

Before voting for anyone I'd look hard it to what they are selling and there actual History in Office....It's alright him saying this and that but has he done it from the offset or at least campaigned for it.

Also a Protest Vote as which some people would say isn't a bad thing, it shows the Main Parties that they aren't actually centre with the Public that they are slightly a jar if anything.

[phatmuther]

Well blow me, I now know who Ill be voting for net time.

Whats their stance on joining the euro, if they're against it they are God.

[Blaze Lord]

You know, a disconcerting number of these points seem, um..

Well, has anyone read the 14 signs of a fascist society (http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm)? Not that I'm calling the BNP the Fourth Reich, but.. Things gotta start somewhere. Just a thought. Like that veil thing, seems more like an ugly wedge issue (like gay marriage was here a couple years ago) than anything that actually matters. It's not like suicide bombers want to stand out, or care about being identified after the fact. Every suicide bomber in Israel is told to look as Westernized as possible, including shaving his beard, not wearing a turban, and, occasionally, wearing an iPod.

[phatmuther]

You dont live in England, you dont know how it goes down here, so goodbye.

[Blaze Lord]

What don't I know..? Did any of the London bombers wear veils?

[phatmuther]

Im talking generally, the UK, our political system, everything. Not just our home grown terrorist.

[Blaze Lord]

Oh... Okay.

[Killer 57]

Well, why not have us discuss these matters? It is always healthy to see different points of views on matters.

[Blaze Lord]

Because, Killer, we'd never understand. I mean, it's not like we live in a country that's dealing with our own reactions to terrorist attacks, or a country that's been polarized politically, or a country that has issues with outsourcing and immigration, or welfare, or crime.

...Oh. Wait.

[phatmuther]

Whatever....

[Killer 57]

A quick read on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party#Fascism_and_the_BNP) shows that there are claims of the British National Party having ties with neo-Nazis. So, claiming that they are a fascist party isn't too far-fetched.

[WACCOE]

Well blow me, I now know who Ill be voting for net time.

Whats their stance on joining the euro, if they're against it they are God.

You have just found your God...
EUROPE - back to British independence!

We are opposed to the Single European Currency, and support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measures. At the same time, we are for the best possible relationship with our European neighbours and believe that the nations of Europe should be free to trade and cooperate whenever it is mutually beneficial, though without being forced into a political and economic straitjacket - political unification. Accordingly, we stand for British withdrawal from the European Union. In place of the EU, we intend to aim towards greater national self-sufficiency, and to work to restore Britain's family and trading ties with Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and to trade with the rest of the world as it suits us. Following our withdrawal from the EU, the BNP will use the £43 million per day net contribution Britain at present makes to the European Union to fund many far more useful projects at home.
http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/policies.htm#europe

:]

[phatmuther]

Thank christ for that, looks like Im a neo-nazi now killer (Y)

[damien©]

The problem with Politics is that your trying to secure a position, however that may not be something you actually believe in. So take when Labour say they are going to be Tough on Crime, Tough on the Causes of Crime and don't. You have a problem.

You push people towards these groups, they think these people can secure them there future but they can't. The people running the BNP are no more than Racist Thugs, however I'm certainly not against voting for them as a Protest Vote as it may bring to light concerns of the British People.

These people would be terrible in power although voting for them does show the mainstream politicans that they are highlighting the ever growing concerns of the British People.

Social Integration
National Pride
European Union
NHS
Police

[WACCOE]

Who is your favourite political party, BigMan?
I wouldn't call them racist thugs either, they are just looking out for us, the British people, which is what Labour should do now, but they really don't give a rats arse about us true Brits, imo.

[Bigcon100]

"No anti-social behaviour"??? what are kids meant to do nowdays???

joke....

i think current immigration + nhs is a joke. there's nout bad bout police + rubbish + GO BRITAIN!

[Bigcon100]

What don't I know..? Did any of the London bombers wear veils?

actualy, 1 did to escape...

soz for the dub post

[WACCOE]

"No anti-social behaviour"??? what are kids meant to do nowdays???

joke....

i think current immigration + nhs is a joke. there's nout bad bout police + rubbish + GO BRITAIN!

Do the normal rubbish bins get collected weekly or fortnightly down your end?

[simonsocial]

Britian is way to soft on people. The only reason Labour have stayed in power is because they have made it so easy for people who don't work, singles mum, immagrants and they keep voting for them. Personally something big needs to happen or things will only get worse. I've voted for the BNP since I left school, I think it will take something like them to make a change.

[WACCOE]

Britian is way to soft on people. The only reason Labour have stayed in power is because they have made it so easy for people who don't work, singles mum, immagrants and they keep voting for them.

The majority of the country then?
LOL!

[damien©]

Who is your favourite political party, BigMan?

Well most of Birmingham is a Labour Stronghold, although I voted for them last time, they are not my Favourite. I see myself more as a "swinger" voter where I will switch between the parties depending on manifesto and previous work in office, but my Local Labour MP has done quite well actually.

As for Bins getting Collected, that is certainly not a problem every Monday for Normal, every Second Week for Recycled Material and during the Winter they were collecting Winter rubbish, not 100% sure if they still do that.

Anti-Social behaviour normally only goes as far as a little bit if graffiti, around my area and it's the same fence all the time, why they don't try and catch them instead of just repainting I'll never know.

Plus BNP aren't around these Parts and although there policy on Immigration might sound appealing, I doubt it will bring us the workers we need.

[Raisedbyflames]

bnp would be ---- they say what they are going to do but never how and their a bunch of daily mail fashist. they were also formed by members of the nf basicly thier -----

[AfroJoe]

there's nout bad bout police

Are you taking the piss?

[Killer 57]

You think your cops are bad? In the Mexican city of Tijuana, the government took the guns away from the cops, and crime DROPPED FORTY ----EN PERCENT!

[damien©]

Are you taking the piss?

Nothing wrong with the Police, just simply the lack of them.

[WACCOE]

However, BNP's policy to get them back on the street is obviously a good one?

[AfroJoe]

Nothing wrong with the Police, just simply the lack of them.

Heh, oh yeah, nothing wrong with the police, who sit around in their office pretending to do paperwork when they're actually just eating and watching TV. They should be out on the beat - anti-social behaviour and general trouble happens out on the streets, and that's where the policemen should be.

Granted, if there are going to be more in general, then of course there will be more on the beat, but I'd say that the ratio of office : beat policemen should be changed dramatically.

[Raisedbyflames]

police are good in northumberland so i carnt complain about them

[backin-strachan]

---- THE BNP They are just scum!

Hope the party that George Galloway is trying to setup, does well.

As for just now I wouldnt let anyone have my vote.

[WACCOE]

Want to expand on why they're scum?

[damien©]

Want to expand on why they're scum?

Well to be honest to some people that would be like arguing if the KKK are racist. It would be more beneficial for you in my view, to show why the BNP aren't what the Popular Opinion makes them out to be.

[Blaze Lord]

Oh wow. I really had no idea who these guys were. 0.7% in the 2005 general election? I didn't know we were talking about such a small, radical party.

According to its constitution, the BNP "stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples" (the party uses "European" to mean white people). The party is "committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948." Accordingly, the BNP proposes "firm but voluntary incentives" to remove non-Whites from the UK, advocates the repeal of all anti-discrimination legislation, and restricts party membership to "Indigenous Caucasians."

The party states that they are merely standing up for the white British working class. The BNP believes that there are patent, inherent racial differences that go beyond skin color and appearance and therefore describes its supporters as "realists".

I'm assuming those are all accurate quotes and characteristics, right? Jesus ----ing Christ. I hope I'm right in thinking these guys are kind of a joke over there.

[damien©]

I'm assuming those are all accurate quotes and characteristics, right? Jesus ----ing Christ. I hope I'm right in thinking these guys are kind of a joke over there.

They are cast off by the Main Political Parties, however that's the wrong thing to do. What the BNP are doing is highlighting the concerns of the British People then using the success of that, to enable their Very Right Wing Agenda's.

Personally I think they (government/main stream parties) should tackle it head on, the Paper's often paint a very bad picture of Immigrants in the UK and how easy they get it, which creates a back lash especially against the Working Class area's. Who spend there days working away, to be only rewarded with the fact there Tax is going to spongers (reported by papers).

Now I don't know how much what the paper's print is true, as they are as close to an Independent Source as George Bush is on Iraqi Progress. All the Newspaper's here, all have Political Agendas and affiliate themselves strongly with Political Parties/ or Ideology.

The BNP is not seen as a serious contender for any Major Political Force, but there growing popularity is a concern that so far hasn't been looked into as, like I say they are simply cast off.

However I still go back to my original point about them, using them as a Protest Vote could sharpen the views of those in Westminster or better yet Councils across England of which they seem to be focusing their efforts on.

[WACCOE]

I reckon they used to be a joke.
But now the English people are starting to open there eyes, and realise what most of this stuff the BNP are saying is correct.
I can fully understand why you've took it how you did, Blaze, as at first I was...but the state that the country is turning into, something needs to be done - with Labour and Tony Blair somewhat seemingly only interested in one country, Iraq, the one that they should be looking after is turning into a farce.
But yeah, the BNP is quite rapidly growing, as more and more people sit down and take into account what's happening around them, and all of the BNP's policies, and why not?

[damien©]

Immigration isn't a problem for me, If someone what's to come to the UK, there's room for them and they want to work then why not. It's a Policy issue and the BNP's "solution" isn't either beneficial to the UK or to you as an individual.

The more people integrate with other Cultures and Religions the better experience and intelligence they will gain from it. People that immigrated in there masses in the UK all came and served a purpose and filled a gap in the UK Economy that wasn't or couldn't be filled by the "natives".

Why some people are so against immigration is beyond me, especially for a nation that conquered about 1/3 of the world. Just everything needs to be rationalised but it doesn't mean you should jump to the other side.

BNP is maybe a Protest Vote at Maximum but WACCOE they are no way a serious party to be considered or even discussed to run the country.

[Raisedbyflames]

now come on big d i dont have a problem but when i carnt get a job because theirs a polish bloke that will do it for half the price theirs a problem.

i hate the bnp i really do but they are using issues that arent been discussed by the other partys to further their goals whgite supremessy bunch of stupid ----- that have no idea how to run a party or country and they have no chance of doing so NF -----.

[damien©]

now come on big d i dont have a problem but when i carnt get a job because theirs a polish bloke that will do it for half the price theirs a problem.

My Point is that over the course of history you will always need someone to fill a gap that you currently can't maintain. That's where Immigration comes in, it's not Immigration that's the problem it's the way you handle it. A closed door solution of the BNP is not it, One based on the Benefit of everyone is. So if you started campaigning for better Equal Rights rather than putting yourself with Right Wing Fascists I'm sure you would progress a hell of a lot quicker.

[phatmuther]

My Point is that over the course of history you will always need someone to fill a gap that you currently can't maintain. That's where Immigration comes in, it's not Immigration that's the problem it's the way you handle it. A closed door solution of the BNP is not it, One based on the Benefit of everyone is. So if you started campaigning for better Equal Rights rather than putting yourself with Right Wing Fascists I'm sure you would progress a hell of a lot quicker.
Yeeap, Im pretty sure I disagree with all of that.

[Killer 57]

Yeeap, Im pretty sure I disagree with all of that.

Really? And why would you say that, phat? I think he makes a very valid point about how finding a better way to handle immigration is much more rational than simply cutting it off altogether.

[phatmuther]

Just my view. I'm not gonna explain why because a) It'll come out wrong and b) I'll get shot down.

[Killer 57]

Now, lets see, if you can't explain it without it sounding wrong and you know that everyone will disagree, shouldn't you rethink your view?

[damien©]

Just my view. I'm not gonna explain why because a) It'll come out wrong and b) I'll get shot down.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

[phatmuther]

Now, lets see, if you can't explain it without it sounding wrong and you know that everyone will disagree, shouldn't you rethink your view?
Um, no.

Thats like saying I disagree with your view, go change it.

[Killer 57]

Well, maybe it's just me, but I don't look at my view as something I have to defend from the get go. I like to hear the other side of the story and I know that other people like to hear them too. I express my opinions, at time they are radical, and if they disagree, good, maybe they will bring up valid points and show relevant statistics that I've never come across. With this different perspective I can change my views accordingly.

but I guess we're all different.

[Blaze Lord]

You're operating under the assumption that facts matter. Political views are only very distantly tied to actual facts. Read some stuff by George Lakoff, especially Don't Think of an Elephant.

[Killer 57]

George Lakoff, Steve Pinker isn't a big fan and I'm a fan of Steven Pinker. Anyway I will be sure to give it a read after I finish the Audacity of Hope by Barak Obama.

[Blaze Lord]

Pinker's criticisms aren't necessarily relevant to this, though. And the book's small enough.

[Killer 57]

Great, I'll be sure pick it up soon. Very new to the political scene in all honesty, decided to check out the political parties and politicians and the like biggest reason being I'll be able to vote this year.

[Blaze Lord]

Oh, well. In that case, you gotta read Thomas Frank and David Brock. You gotta. Read David Brock in order, in fact. Anita Hill and then Blinded by the Right then Republican Noise Machine. Following him from rabid conservative to rabid liberal is a real trip.

[Killer 57]

Both of them have a fair amount of books, any ones in particular that you recommend?

[Blaze Lord]

Well, you mighta missed my edit, but I recommended all 3 Brock books. If you gotta pick one, make it Blinded. For Frank, What's the Matter with Kansas is done deal.

Keep in mind I'm being pretty damned biased with this, only cause I wanna make sure you come down on the right side of things, which is, obviously, the left. But hell, while you're at it, read like.. Pat Buchanan. Where the Right went Wrong. That's at least conservative criticism of the elephants.

[Killer 57]

Oops I sure did miss the edit, my bad. Yeah it's cool, I've been leaning towards the left was it is. I have a lot of reading to do it seems, I wish I had more time, damn science books.

[WACCOE]

Immigration isn't a problem for me, If someone what's to come to the UK, there's room for them and they want to work then why not. It's a Policy issue and the BNP's "solution" isn't either beneficial to the UK or to you as an individual.

The more people integrate with other Cultures and Religions the better experience and intelligence they will gain from it. People that immigrated in there masses in the UK all came and served a purpose and filled a gap in the UK Economy that wasn't or couldn't be filled by the "natives".

Why some people are so against immigration is beyond me, especially for a nation that conquered about 1/3 of the world. Just everything needs to be rationalised but it doesn't mean you should jump to the other side.

BNP is maybe a Protest Vote at Maximum but WACCOE they are no way a serious party to be considered or even discussed to run the country.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha.
OMG
Just wait until you decide it's time to get yourself a job, and like Raised said, there's some foreign ---- doing it for fudging peanuts.
Then come back, and give us your view then, on this immigration scene.
Thanks.

[damien©]

Then come back, and give us your view then, on this immigration scene.
Thanks.

Yea but like I have said it's not the Foreigner that is the problem, he is filling a gap and adding money to the Taxpayer's Fund. It's the Employee's that are being allowed to take advantage of people that have simply come here to get a better life.

You are lucky you were born in such a Prosperous and Economically Stable country, most people have left there Native Land just to find work and support their Families no different to what your Father or Mother do.

[WACCOE]

What about the ----- who come here, and steal, and I say steal, honest tax payers money, what about them, ey?
Are you forgetting about them?
They are what the BNP's point is about.

[damien©]

Steal? How do you mean Steal?

I have a problem with the whole Benefits system as a whole. However it might be worth pointing out that some Asylum Seekers aren't allowed to work or secure employment until their immigration status has been decided.

So again to me it's the way in which we handle immigration, not immigration itself.

[WACCOE]

NO to asylum seekers - they come here and get everything handed to them on a plate - at your expense. The BNP say put British people first.


The ones who come here.
Do ---- all for the country.
Give ---- all to the country.
Yet sponge every penny they can from the country.
So you'd rather we, the British people, didn't get put first in our own country, instead of these -----?

[damien©]

Quote me the line where I said that?

[Blaze Lord]

You know. That does seem pretty unbelievable. How easy is it to do that?

[Killer 57]

As far as the jobs go, you aren't doing too well if you're competing for jobs with immigrants, I mean, they mostly take up non skilled positions, maybe learn a trade and get a job that requires you knowing how to do it.

[Blaze Lord]

Well, maybe the laws are different over there, and it's easier for immigrants to get actual jobs.

[bingo83]

Steal? How do you mean Steal?

I have a problem with the whole Benefits system as a whole. However it might be worth pointing out that some Asylum Seekers aren't allowed to work or secure employment until their immigration status has been decided.


I deal with it every day in my job. I process Income Support in West London, and until they get their status ascertained they can claim benefits like you or me at a slightly lower rate (PFA rates) than the norm.

I honestly dont have a problem with Immigrants coming to the country out of necessity, but the UK is one of the hardest places for them to get to yet we are inundated with immigrants who know our benefit and immigration policies are to be taken advantage of.

Every 5th claim I process has some sort of fraud aspect on it, but unless it meets a certain points score with the fraud section it is never investigated. Last year the Government stated that fraud and overpayments had reached its lowest in years (under £100 Million) as if it was something to be proud of.

Think of the uses that £100 million could be used for:

A Better NHS
More police on the beat
Better Schools
Better care for the elderly

The list in endless.

[WACCOE]

I deal with it every day in my job. I process Income Support in West London, and until they get their status ascertained they can claim benefits like you or me at a slightly lower rate (PFA rates) than the norm.

I honestly dont have a problem with Immigrants coming to the country out of necessity, but the UK is one of the hardest places for them to get to yet we are inundated with immigrants who know our benefit and immigration policies are to be taken advantage of.

Every 5th claim I process has some sort of fraud aspect on it, but unless it meets a certain points score with the fraud section it is never investigated. Last year the Government stated that fraud and overpayments had reached its lowest in years (under £100 Million) as if it was something to be proud of.

Think of the uses that £100 million could be used for:

A Better NHS
More police on the beat
Better Schools
Better care for the elderly

The list in endless.

Exactly.
The BNP would most certainly cut down that £100million...as they would stop a LOT of immigrants getting residence over here, therefore there would be more money to spend, as you said, on the NHS and Police (2 of the BNP's policies)...therefore the whole "lets not let as many immigrants in" argument, isn't all as bad, or racist, as some people think.

[Bigcon100]

Do the normal rubbish bins get collected weekly or fortnightly down your end?
weekly. i take it that it's fortnightly in the city?
Are you taking the piss?
lol
police are good in northumberland so i carnt complain about them

police arent really needed in Yorkshire (countryside anyway). Mabye to arrest the odd foxhunter...

[WACCOE]

I was going to say - no, no, police aren't needed in the biggest County in England, ahah.
But yeah, fudging fornightly.
FS

[Bigcon100]

biggest county? bloody emptiest county from wher i live...

[WACCOE]

Eh?
Ya what?

[Bigcon100]

I LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF ----ING NOWHERE. yorkshire may be big, but it's pretty empty