The Ipswich Ripper...

[WACCOE]

...5 dead. ZOMGZZ!!11111


Discuss.




Yes, I realise this is the 3rd thread. Don't bother closing it, everyone is entitled to there own opinion.

[bingo83]

I honestly dont think this one will take long to catch. It has been more of a spree kill rather than a serial killer at present.

The only thing the police will have problems with is getting access to all the evidence they need quickly. The forensics department will be swamped processing 5 bodies in such a short timeframe. There is also the chance that there may be more bodies waiting to be discovered.

Any loss of life should be punished and I hope when he / they are caught that they get to feel the full force of the UK legal system.

[WACCOE]

Yeah, I mean he hasn't left much behind as of yet so the police don't have as many traces as what you'd expect.

I'm sure it won't be long.

But I mean, if you was a prostitiute in Ipswich, why would you bother risking it?

The police should just be constantly getting them of the street each and every night - scaring this sadistic freak away.

[damien©]

But I mean, if you was a prostitiute in Ipswich, why would you bother risking it?

Most don't tend to do it out of choice, it's either to feed their addiction or maybe even their own children.

[AfroJoe]

I think the police are playing a dangerous game with him. No way would they release a public appeal for him to reveal himself, unless they were close and had vital clues. Might sound stupid, but it's very probably why they did it. Lull him into a false sense of security, ready to strike when he makes his next move. The thing is, if they mess up, you've got another one dead.

[Raisedbyflames]

my wacky theory, rival pimps killing the competition off.

[phatmuther]

that isnt wacky, thats probably the sanest answer!

[Kalou]

...5 dead. ZOMGZZ!!11111

Yes, I realise this is the 3rd thread. Don't bother closing it, everyone is entitled to there own opinion.

Sadly that isn't the case and no doubt when I say something wrong about the incredible people who contribute so much to our beloved communities, it will result in the thread being closed :party:

Woohoo I have lost 1 rep point muahaha :D

But I mean, if you was a prostitiute in Ipswich, why would you bother risking it?

How else could they afford their smack? getting shagged and tooting up is more important than living apparently.

[AK.]

i think we should have the death penalty here in the uk again, keeping these people inside is the reason why we have no cells for other criminals, killing these straight up wierdos will clean the system obviously we have to work with/on the mentally ill and try to help them, but then i guess every criminal that kills could pleed insanity

[Kalou]

Agreed, kill murderers so petty thieves and junkies can get locked up, as it stands they get away with alot due to the shortage of cells because people who will never see the outside of a prison wall are occupying them, doesnt make sense.

[damien©]

How else could they afford their smack? getting shagged and tooting up is more important than living apparently.

Surely we should be offering these women help to get off their drug addiction, however not all prostitutes have drug problems some need the money purely to survive to eat, clean and possibly look after children they might have.

In some areas of the UK it's possibly the only way for a girl who had a very unstable home, poor education and terrible living conditions.

Some people don't get the oppupurtunties in life that you or I may have been blessed with but again this is a failing of the State.

The idea of bringing back the Dealth Penalty is ridicolous, the Death Penalty has never offered a nation more security from Murderers, Rapists or Peodophiles as a deterant or as a "cull" compared with other nations who don't have the Dealth Penalty.

As I understand, I may be wrong, but you can't plead Insanity. This is up to the Mental Health Authorities to examine prior to trail. Most of these people who commit murders on this level suffer from Mental Issues that even in Prison are not addressed, as soon as we can look closer into what triggers these patterns of behaviour the better of we will be in diagnosing it before the individual can get help.

I'll leave you with a nice little story, a Man walked into a GP's office asking for Help as he was already diagnosed with a mental condition, they sent him home and told him that they would ring him back and get the right people to give him help. 3 days later and no one seeing him they discovered his body in the house where he had killed himself.

Mental Problems cause you to do all types of things, and until people are offered the help they need and stop looking at it as something that shouldn't be mentioned alot healthier people can be and happier.

I have alot to say but I think it makes sense and might be worth the read...Lol

[Kubrick]

As I understand, I may be wrong, but you can't plead Insanity. This is up to the Mental Health Authorities to examine prior to trail. Most of these people who commit murders on this level suffer from Mental Issues that even in Prison are not addressed, as soon as we can look closer into what triggers these patterns of behaviour the better of we will be in diagnosing it before the individual can get help.
Correct.

The Justice system in Britain, and all countries for that matter, have to distinguish between the psychosis of the individual's mind and the self-sufficiency of the individual's body, in criminality. There are two criminals in each instance: the prostitute and the serial killer, or victim and predator. The prostitute has to be distinguished as the latter criminal: the self-sufficiency of the individual's body. She is breaking the law by the technically illegal act of prostitution, but her reasons are related to outside sources such as food, accommodation et cetera. The serial killer has to be distinguished as the former criminal, if no other reason for his/her acts, such as contract-killing, is found: the psychosis of the individual's mind. S/he's breaking the law, and his/her reasons are related mental problems, not outside sources.

Should both, vastly psychologically different, criminals be applied the same methods of reform? Of course, they shouldn't. You don't treat a failing lung with shock treatment. The prostitute should go to prison with education incentives provided to reform, and the serial killer should go to a facility with psychologists provided to reform. We shouldn't heap too much blame on the Justice system of each respective country; after all, psychoanalysis is a little over a hundred years old. We're only beginning to solve the puzzles of the mind, and that's only after the fact. It may turn out that no amount of reform will ever change the individual or criminal. It would be foolish to think that the thirty years of mind-conditioning leading up to the criminal act committed by a thirty-year old man or woman can be erased in a few years or, even, a decade, in both the former and latter criminal.

The Death-penalty solves nothing. It serves only to erase the disease in one individual, and not ascertain the cause, and certainly not obviate the disease from any other individual in the present or future. So, the Death-penalty is counter-productive to tackling any future crimes or criminals. As a deterrent, it's useless. The criminal who suffers from psychosis, isn't in the full capacity to reason the consequences of his actions; if he did, he wouldn't do it. Therefore, the deterrent doesn't work as an act of deterring psychotics from killing, and furthermore, as mentioned, erases any psychological evidence as to why individuals act in such a manner.

The prostitute, or any criminal committing illegal acts for a living, can only reform by education; therefore, getting a job and getting paid. But in the end, the environment shaped her, not the other way around. She can't function outside of prostitution, because if she could, she wouldn't be partaking in the activity. And, it's the same with the serial killer: s/he can't function outside of his mental-state. The environment shaped him/her. Ergo, we get to the crux of the matter: the failing of us, not just the State, to help.

You have to feel sorry for both the serial killer and the prostitutes, as both are victims in two different ways. The prostitutes will be permanently placed as victims in their dead state of the serial killer, but the serial killer was once a victim him/herself. I suspect that his acts are one of someone who was a victim of a predator, more close to home. The prostitutes might have been victims for several hours, but the serial killer might have been a victim for several years.

[Dcontrol]

Yes, I realise this is the 3rd thread. Don't bother closing it, everyone is entitled to there own opinion.

:| We'll see if this thread can run its course unlike the other two which veered off topic. As the saying goes third time lucky :zip:.

[WACCOE]

Well, looks like they're looking for a "fat bloke in a BMW". (:/)

[damien©]

I don't think they should of said fat as "fat" in common usage is such a vague term, as it often comes down to personal opinion.

Plus it's such a negative term to describe someone one somewhat unnecessarily.

[phatmuther]

well when people say fat i take it they mean very big, obese even. Im not the slenderest of people, but i wouldnt classify me as fat. Fat is FAT.

[Raisedbyflames]

i like the way on every tv interview their obviously baiting the killer

[damien©]

In what way raised?

I hear it's no longer the Ipswich Ripper it's the Suffolk Strangler, as it's been confirmed that all the victims died of asphyxiation.

[Raisedbyflames]

they goo on and say hes properly impudent and sexually inferior and that, im not been harsh but lets get gwen staffani to Ipswich and he can kill one more before we catch him

[Killer 57]

they goo on and say hes properly impudent and sexually inferior and that, im not been harsh but lets get gwen staffani to Ipswich and he can kill one more before we catch him

How Dare you! Gwen Stefani is the best thing to come out of Anaheim since Trevor Hoffman!

[WACCOE]

Gwen who?..

[Dcontrol]

Gwen who?..

Gwen Stefani who used to be the lead vocalist with the group No Doubt.

http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/1094/gwenac1.jpg

[Tobes]

...Who I think is teh sex. If you would say no to her you're not human. I was going to say "gay" but I even think they would. :p

She's real pretty :)

EDIT: D, she still is the lead vocalist.

[Dcontrol]

...Who I think is teh sex. If you would say no to her you're not human. I was going to say "gay" but I even think they would. :p

She's real pretty :)

EDIT: D, she still is the lead vocalist.

Damn it! I had to rewrite my post since my internet went down when I tried to post it. In the original post I said she was/maybe still is the lead singer (knew I should have put it in that one too). I was only listening to Don't Speak the other day too.

Anyway back to the topic in hand.

[Raisedbyflames]

yeh her music is a crime and she should be punished

[AfroJoe]

She's like Pink, but less talented.

And that's saying something.

[AK.]

that yodoling song makes no sense

[AK.]

:| We'll see if this thread can run its course unlike the other two which veered off topic. As the saying goes third time lucky :zip:.


its just veered off topic and onto gwen stefani :|

[Killer 57]

Which isn't a bad thing, Gwen Stefani pwns! I really like that song, you know, that one song, yeah...

[phatmuther]

Gwens latest stuff i sub par, she needs to get all Bubble Pop Electric again. My mate chilled with her at an AFI gig (Y)

[damien©]

Do you reckon he's killed himself?

It's been very quiet, no murders, no real leads...:s

[Kubrick]

Do you reckon he's killed himself?
I'd go out on a limb and say that is definitely not the case.

[damien©]

Why not.....?

I doubt it to, but it's not too farfetched

[Kubrick]

Why not.....?

I doubt it to, but it's not too farfetched
He would have killed himself, if his mind was such, before he started killing others.

[Kalou]

Amazing, I read in Fridays paper some drug charity is paying up to 10k to the hookers for compensation for them being off the streets LMFAO, what a disgrace, shall we pay murderers not to murder? what about paying junkies not to take drugs? or shall we pay rapists not to rape? or lets pay everyone who doesn't throw litter on the ground!

I never actually knew prostitution was legal, when was it legalised? I used to think it was illegal but it goes to show I don't know much.

[Killer 57]

Amazing, I read in Fridays paper some drug charity is paying up to 10k to the hookers for compensation for them being off the streets LMFAO, what a disgrace, shall we pay murderers not to murder? what about paying junkies not to take drugs? or shall we pay rapists not to rape? or lets pay everyone who doesn't throw litter on the ground!


The thing is, however, unlike rapist,junkies, and murderers,hookers make their money by prostitution, so by staying off the streets they're not making any money, so this charity is giving them money so they can eat, find a place to sleep etc

[Kalou]

Yep, but if someone went about killing drug dealers would the police act the same? would they beg them to stay off the streets for their own safety? would they allow a charity to give them money because they ain't making any on the street?

[Blaze Lord]

"Allow"? Wow. So, ignoring your sweeping generalizations, the government should step in and tell a charity not to give money to someone? Wouldn't it just be easier to, you know, not give money to the charity if you don't like what they do with it?

[Kalou]

So wait, I can set up a charity, take money from junkies and buy every local dealer in the city tools of the trade? wow I might just do that, how legal would that be eh? surely the police wouldn't mind......

[Blaze Lord]

What in the world are you talking about? Tools of the trade? Money from junkies?

The charity, as you describe it, isn't giving the hookers lessons on oral sex, the charity is giving money away. So, yes, you could set up a charity to give drug dealers money. And if you told them that they would continue to get money from you if they stopped selling drugs, then, yes, you could do that.

[Kalou]

You don't know what tools of the trade means?

They are giving money away to hookers who are working as prostitutes which is illegal isn't it? find it very hard to believe a charity can give money to junkies to help them sell drugs on the streets.

I also find it hard to believe the government would allow a charity to give money to junkies allowing them to feed their habbit, things are classed as illegal for a reason you know.

What next, when prostitutes can't work because they are giving labour, will this charity give them holiday pay aswell because they couldn't "work" for it? as I said it's a disgrace, there isn't another way to describe this.

[Blaze Lord]

They're giving money to hookers who would otherwise work illegally as prostitutes, if not for the money they're getting.

And things are often classified as illegal for very stupid, antiquated, and puritanical reasons, especially when talking about drugs and prostitution. But that's neither here nor there.

[damien©]

A 37-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murdering five women found dead at sites around Ipswich.
The man was arrested at his home address at Trimley, near Felixstowe on Monday morning.

He was arrested on suspicion of murdering Gemma Adams, Anneli Alderton, Tania Nicol, Paula Clennell and Annette Nicholls, police said.

Police added the man was being held at an unnamed police station in Suffolk and would be questioned later.


First Time Lucky?

btw Kalou from your vague "quote" you say drug charity, who do you expect them to give it to. I expect they are receiving the money due to the fact they are staying off the street accepting help to get better.

I would remind you that all though I don't support the idea of prostitution, there is many Man and Women out there that make this a worthwhile trade. I don't think you should punish women who haven't choose this rather been forced to do it to either feed children or a drug habit.

Also there is a big difference between drug dealers and prostitutes in my view, Prostitutes are one only effectively damaging the life's of themselves and putting themselves at risk. Drug Dealers are selling illegal drugs that could have serious effects on your health, your actions and effectively the security of others.

You can't compare Drug Dealers and Prostitutes but in both cases they need support to get help and to try and stay clean

[Kalou]

Prostitutes are spreading around diseases and buying drugs so why do people think they are all innocent little girls who have no other option but to turn into a hooker?

Everyone thinks the same yet why is it still illegal? why do they do crackdowns on massage parlours yet don't mind when they roam the streets? why not just let the massage parlours stay open and if fat tarts want a shag they can go there instead of down the river behind a tree.

The thing is, it's dangerous and they don't care, so why do so many people care so much about hookers? their life is pretty much over, how long do you think they can keep this up?

They are a waste of space, instead of caring so much about these slags why not divert your care to something more worthy of care? aka domestic abuse, dentits, abused kids, rape victims etc.

Prostitutes bring this sort of stuff on themselves, the things I mentioned above don't, maybe someone needs to explain why hookers are so cared for, everyone seems to think they are 19 year olds who have a kid and can't get a job hence why they sell themselves to strangers while risking being raped, infected OR murdered.

Ah well keep caring for them, I ain't and won't.

[HotFish]

Kalou - not again please! You have your views fair enough, but others have there's and im afraid your views are outweighed by many on here including me.

It's sad that they have been killed no matter what they were - one was even pregnant! - so are you saying that this child deserved to die as it's mother was a prostitute? Wrong.

This man is the one that needs help...his views could be the same as yours! and that's why he has done this, though i think it may be for something else?

[owoke]

They werent giving them money, they was giving them store vouchers and stuff like that as they didnt want them spending the money on drugs and booze.

[Dcontrol]

They are a waste of space, instead of caring so much about these slags why not divert your care to something more worthy of care? aka domestic abuse, dentits, abused kids, rape victims etc.

Prostitutes bring this sort of stuff on themselves, the things I mentioned above don't, maybe someone needs to explain why hookers are so cared for, everyone seems to think they are 19 year olds who have a kid and can't get a job hence why they sell themselves to strangers while risking being raped, infected OR murdered.

Ah well keep caring for them, I ain't and won't.

Many prostitutes are rape victims and abused/treated badly so thats a bit of a contradiction to what you said there. Some of these people do not have the quality of life that we have and they don't have the choices to make either, that is why they are often led down this path.

Some of your comments are stereotypical and you seem to tar all of them with the same brush. I wonder if it was somebody that you know forced into this type of situation would you be so callous towards them?

The information I have got through a friend of mine who worked for womens aid or something along those lines. I have had many a discussion with her about topics similar as this. We often comment on things when we do not know all the facts and evidence. The true stories I have heard are nothing short of disbelief and totally cruel. There are some bad people out there but life goes on and I salute the people who can actually stand up and make a difference to these people who are in desperate need in a desperate situation.

[Kalou]

Many are rape victims, probably are, but does it make sense making this risk even greater? surely not.

Oh I got raped, well lets turn into a hooker so the chances of getting raped again are even greater.

Ah nevermind that does make sense.

Yes she was pregnant but what does she expect? who the hell works as a hooker when they are pregnant? is it so hard for women to get jobs in this country?

Why can't they sign on and get the council to pay for their rent and get other crap because they are pregnant? because they DON'T WANT TO, it's all about making more money, for what I wonder, maybe some tampons? or a few grams of smack? most likely.

People have other views yes, but if they can post there views I can post mine. I would be callous towards anyone I knew if they were forced into this because I know for a fact there are other options.

[Kalou]

I just read about an old aged man who died because his candles set fire to his house, he has been using them for the past 2 years because he couldn't afford electricity.

Now let me ask, where are the charities for him? where are the charities for the thousands of OAP's who die each and every single year because of the winter?

Who cares aout 80 year olds who have not put a foot wrong and have spent the past 60 years working legaly? we should divert our attention to the hookers of the United Kingdom who roam the streets, not because they want to and walk away with a few hundred pounds each night, but because they HAVE to.

Oh and before I go my point in mentioning this was, there are alot better things for charities to spend money on, giving hookers money will last a week and make them no better off, paying for this poor old mans electricity would last a lifetime, and not only make him alot better off, but save his life.

This is the problem with this world, the wrong things get all the money while the good things are made to suffer, aka giving poor people in Africa money rather than helping the NHS protect not only us but our kids and family, yet giving poor people who we have no clue even exists some water is more important.

You could give millions to Africa and the difference would last for months, how many things can you do with millions in the UK? quite alot but as I said nobody is interested, lets give our money to the wrong causes and make the good causes suffer.

[HotFish]

Kalou - yes some points in there i agree with you! But we (the UK) are givers to those that sponge us dry. The Boxing Day Tsunami's money the $$$$Billion's££££ that was sent has lined the pockets of powerful men in the countries hit first before it's people (are there any new houses built yet?). This may sound harsh to many...but i would'nt nor havent sent a penny to any organisation. Charity begins at home and know one has sent me anything!

When this country goes up with a bang...who will be there to help us? Answer No one!

[WACCOE]

2nd man been arrested.

[HotFish]

2nd man been arrested.

Yeah here is some details

http://www.orange.co.uk/news/topstories/21250.htm?linkfrom=feed_newsandweather&link=link_title&article=index

[Kalou]

Kalou - yes some points in there i agree with you! But we (the UK) are givers to those that sponge us dry. The Boxing Day Tsunami's money the $$$$Billion's££££ that was sent has lined the pockets of powerful men in the countries hit first before it's people (are there any new houses built yet?). This may sound harsh to many...but i would'nt nor havent sent a penny to any organisation. Charity begins at home and know one has sent me anything!

When this country goes up with a bang...who will be there to help us? Answer No one!

Spot on mate, this country is in quite a state and all people are worried about is making the X-factor producers millionaires, it's erse-for-elbow so to speak, but as you said when it comes time for people to give us money then we will see what happens.

[Tobes]

This may sound harsh to many...but i would'nt nor havent sent a penny to any organisation. Charity begins at home and know one has sent me anything!
Said so true. However if I can buy something which is used (Childs Play charity) then I will. Me and Killer were discussing this the other day.

Anyway that reminds me. Got to buy something for ChildsPlay. Work pay has come through now :)

[Blaze Lord]

Kalou, just so I can clarify.. Have you researched and donated money to charities that support what you'd like charities to support? It's just that, you know, I think you should put your money where your mouth is before you say other people are donating money to the "wrong places". If you have, I admire you for that. Otherwise, you should get off this hangup.

[damien©]

I don't give money too national charities, it's not something I'm proud off. It's just I don't like tactics employed by this Organisations, like leaving money in your Will for the Charity I think that's very cold hearted.

Well I do give money to local Charities like School Fund Raising and Church Festivals which in alot of cases is better for me as I get to see the benefit of my hard cash.

I no longer give to International Appeals as I often feel my Money will be lost or undermined by the overwhelming support given .

So basically if your shacking a bucket, wanting me to make long-term commitments, only looking for cash, wanting me to put you in my will, monthly commitments or anything similar...You'll get Jack Crap of me.

[WACCOE]

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5678/murderspacehy9.gif
:]

[damien©]

Photoshop Job...

Is his real one still on MySpace?

[bingo83]

Nope they deleted it, but only after the press had accessed it.

[WACCOE]

Yeah. The Police made MySpace delete it.
Apparently he was understandably gettign a lot of hate mail.