Fifa 07 VS PES 6

[Mattyanderson]

Hi i just wanted to know what would you say better game and good for online


thanxs

Matty

[Kalou]

Well PES6 is far from perfect on and offline, it's pretty crap in all honesty and if you decide to buy it you can buy mine :D

I would try FIFA, gameplay might not be as good but I bet it's by far more responsive and better online, PES6 has a delay online and I just think the game is crap, buy it and find out :D

[Dcontrol]

Thats total rubbish in my opinion Kalou. PES6 is pretty decent gameplay wise. Sure it has some underlying issues in the online mode and some of the other aspects missing that we usually expect but to say that its pretty crap is very harsh. Plus you can buy it brand new from Play.com for £25. Its still the best football game available.

PES 6 X360 £24.99 (http://playcom.at/360monster?DURL=http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/STTS1/3-/904399/Pro_Evolution_Soccer_6/Product.html)

[Mattyanderson]

cheers for your opinion guys

[backin-strachan]

Online PES is crap, far too laggy and you will get a lot of freezing. Player Match is actually quite good but quickly gets boring but offine is superb(Y)

Master League alone should get you to buys this and with the improved Licences and Game modes overshadowing a poor edit mode it is still a brillant footy game.

Try the Fifa demo if you are unsure.

[Truplaya83]

PES6 beats Fifa 07 IMO, simply coz its a more realistic, playable, and enjoyable game.

[AfroJoe]

What he said.

Pro Evo is very frustrating as they churn out similar games year upon year, but they're still leagues ahead of anything EA have to offer.

[HotFish]

What he said.

Pro Evo is very frustrating as they churn out similar games year upon year, but they're still leagues ahead of anything EA have to offer.

Yeah agree. I have PES6 and borrowed FIFA of a mate. Both are no where near the standard that a next gen football should and could offer. But saying that PES all the way. FIFA may be the prettier, but PES play's better still and just feel's a more complete package, even though it's watered down from previous.

Play.com also have a cracking deal @ £24.99 for PES6 - please click link for Play.com @ Homepage

cya

[WACCOE]

PES6.

I don't play online, but I play multiplayer wth mates. And it beats FIFA for that HANDS DOWN.

[Kalou]

How is it rubbish? the players are as thick as hell, you can't beat ANYONE for pace, they are very unresponsive and the shooting is gash, yeah brilliant game.

The passing is a disgrace, my 14 month old brother could kick a ball harder, the keepers are thick, my sister would be a better option and it doesn't matter who you play nor who you go, it's pish, stats mean sweet fa in the sense that Celtic are amazing.

[thePhenom]

I got them both and I never play Fifa, The only thing that Fifa wins on is the Graphics and every team have the licensing.

You can beat players for pace, try using the different sprinting options. Passing is a disgrace, nope if you want your passes to go further and quicker then try holding down the pass button. Shooting isnt pish either, it takes a little time to adjust to it, i would suggest some time in the training mode.

So yea I would recommend Pro Evo over Fifa.

[Kalou]

If you're selling FIFA I will buy it.

You can only beat players for pace if you have 99 speed/accel with red form against a defender with 60 speed/accel and green form, passing is good? ROFL the passing is a shambles, you press up and it goes the other way and the power is 100% random.

Even the player nominating is ridiculous, you hit LT half a dozen times to get a player 2 inches away from the ball, and don't even say it's good because it's a fact it sucks beyond belief.

Shooting is random aswell, it just scoops whenever it wants, tap the shoot button and it scoops, it's nonsense, yet put full power on your shots and it only goes over by a little sometimes, the shooting is 100% random.

Controlling the player is hideous, how can I do anything when they are stuck on rails 90% of the time? does it not suck when you pass someone the ball and it rolls 6 mph and the guy receiving it stands like a plank waiting for it to touch his feet? VERY, VERY VERY VERY VERY REALISTIC, I watch football every week and I never see anything like this, never have and never will, why? because it's demented.

[thePhenom]

Im sorry man but it seems as if you aint got a clue how to play the game. As I said you can beat players for pace, i always play with green form so you dont have to have red form, theres also a thing called stamina you cant expect the player to keep on running at full pace for the whole game.

Passing a shambles? I honestly have no trouble with passing, goes in the direction I want it to. I understand what you are saying about the player just standing there, Im pretty sure its the same in Fifa.

Changing player again I dont have a problem, I dont need to press it half a dozen times, not sure if you have changed the controls but LB is change player for me.

Shooting isnt all that random, its the way you shoot it and in what position the player is in, if he has it stuck in his feet or on the turn is more likely to go flying other the bar, but if the player has good control of the ball i find you shoot much better.

I would sell Fifa but I brother likes it and wants to keep it.

[Kubrick]

Is it just me, or is Kalou sending out the impression to others that he can't master Pro Evolution Soccer 6's realistic gameplay and would like gameplay more suited to his talents as a gamer?

[thePhenom]

Is it just me, or is Kalou sending out the impression to others that he can't master Pro Evolution Soccer 6's realistic gameplay and would like gameplay more suited to his talents as a gamer?


lol, Sounds about right to me :p

[Kalou]

lol I love when people say PES is realistic, do you lot watch football?

Players are NOT, repeat, NOT stuck on rails, the lack of free movement is hardly realistic is it?

Do players stand still while a 6 mph pass is approaching them? well, do they?

Just because PES has better gameplay over FIFA it doesn't make PES a realistic game, tell you what, play PES, watch a football match and play PES again, if you think they are similar then god help you.

Wait, did I mention the way the players turn? hahahaa show me a clip of Henry turning like that in real life, PLEASE, hell I will even PAY you for it :D

You don't know the difference, PES has GOOD gameplay, but it's not realistic, go look up the word in the dictionary and learn what it means.

[Kubrick]

lol I love when people say PES is realistic, do you lot watch football?

Players are NOT, repeat, NOT stuck on rails, the lack of free movement is hardly realistic is it?

Do players stand still while a 6 mph pass is approaching them? well, do they?

Just because PES has better gameplay over FIFA it doesn't make PES a realistic game, tell you what, play PES, watch a football match and play PES again, if you think they are similar then god help you.

Wait, did I mention the way the players turn? hahahaa show me a clip of Henry turning like that in real life, PLEASE, hell I will even PAY you for it :D

First, you're expecting each pass to be perfect. And, second, you clearly don't know the move 'Super Cancel', because if you did, you wouldn't be attempting to commit suicide by flooding yourself with your own tears.

Kid Kalou, learn how to play the game. I dislike players of Pro Evolution who like to pick the best team, and dribble with the best players to win games, and from what you've wrote (turning 180 degrees, and complaining about the pace of your players), you're that 'caveman' type of player.

You wouldn't happen to support Bolton? ;)


Why don't you join the Pro League Sniper is trying to get going? I'll teach you, my son.

[Kalou]

No I don't want perfect passes, I want passes with some power, super cancel shouldn't be needed, the game should have common sense which it doesn't.

I don't dribble with the best players, my style is flank the wins and whip in crosses, but I want a realistic game, if I am Robben why can't I outpace a 30 year old defender? if I am C. Ronaldo why can't I dribble past 90% of my opposition?

Why can't you admit the players are on tracks and they turn like robots? how the hell can you say this is realistic? you completely dodged the realistic debate, so I will let you try again as it makes me laugh seeing what excuses the PES fanboys come up with.

[Kubrick]

No I don't want perfect passes, I want passes with some power, super cancel shouldn't be needed, the game should have common sense which it doesn't.

I don't dribble with the best players, my style is flank the wins and whip in crosses, but I want a realistic game, if I am Robben why can't I outpace a 30 year old defender? if I am C. Ronaldo why can't I dribble past 90% of my opposition?

Why can't you admit the players are on tracks and they turn like robots? how the hell can you say this is realistic? you completely dodged the realistic debate, so I will let you try again as it makes me laugh seeing what excuses the PES fanboys come up with.

What's there to debate? You've established that the realism of Pro Evolution Soccer 6 to stop players, such as yourself, from dribbling with one player to win matches is unfair. In a bitter attempt to introduce bias into my side of the argument, you squeal "fanboy". You see, you don't know the move 'Super Cancel'. Now, only until you've tried that move, can you come back to me, kid Kalou.

I don’t see you signing up for the Pro Evolution league? Are you afraid that I’ll out you for the dribbling caveman type of player that you are?

[Kalou]

And again you don't read my post.

Ok since you can't read today let me ask you two very simple questions;

Are players on tracks in REAL FOOTBALL?

Do players turn like robots in REAL FOOTBALL?

Answer those two questions and that will be enough for today, or better yet, admit the game isn't realistic and save us both the hassle.

[Truplaya83]

TBH, i agree, Pro Evo is hard to master, thats why its good.

The whole control system is based on how your player is standing and how the ball is moving. Passes are powerful when you hit them right, to the right man. Impossible passes in real life, are impossible in PES or they mess up, unlike fifa where you can backheel a 40-yard pass.

The shooting is great on Pro evo, you need to get the ball out of your feet, and nearly every player has a better shooting foot.

You can dribble past players, but its aobut as easy as real life in the premiership- very hard. If you catch them going one way, and knock it another, you go past them. A player running witht he ball will never outrun a player who is dribbling, so knock it ahead and run onto it, or dont dribble, pass.

I feel playing pro evo you need to play realistic football. Keeping the ball and making accurate passes. Just as in real football, one misplaced pass can leave you vulnerable at the back.

All in all its an amazing football game thats as close to real football as possible.

[Truplaya83]

And again you don't read my post.

Ok since you can't read today let me ask you two very simple questions;

Are players on tracks in REAL FOOTBALL?

Do players turn like robots in REAL FOOTBALL?

Answer those two questions and that will be enough for today, or better yet, admit the game isn't realistic and save us both the hassle.

the players are not on tracks on PES6 so i dunno what you're on about (try letting go of the sprint button)

Players dont turn like robots in Pro Evo either, i dont get what you mean. First touches on it are a great tool for getting an extra yard on a defender and you can t go from a sprint to turning 180 in the blink of an eye, like some other football games.

[Kubrick]

You see, you don't know the move 'Super Cancel'. Now, only until you've tried that move, can you come back to me, kid Kalou.


And I still don't see you signing up to the Pro Evo league, kid Kalou?

[Kalou]

OH MY GOD lol the denial is phenomenal hahah.

Let me make an example on photoshop about the robot turning but seriously how you can say they ain't on tracks is shocking, they ain't 100% of the time but they are still on tracks, this is what I mean about fanboys, just can't admit a single thing.

Why would I sign up to a league and play a game I don't even like just to get beaten by a guy who has played it more than me?

http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pesko4.png

Point being, in football you can turn ANYWAY you want, in PES you simply CANNOT, it's a fact.

Anwyay you fanboys win, I have been trying to make you all see sense since PES3 yet you all have it stuck into your minds that PES is 100% realistic and flawless.

People have been saying PES is realistic for years, did none of you play PES4? that game was 100% arcade gameplay it was fast and fruious and you could turn in an instant to beat a defender, it wasn't an ounce realistic yet epople still claimed it was, why? oh just the usual fanboy.

Why did Konami give us a half assed version for the xbox 360? why do we have the most basic of edit modes and 6 stadiums? let me guess, you will defend them and say they didn't have enough time?

I honestly can't believe people defend Konami and PES so much, they barely give us any new features and when they do they make a mess of the rest of the game YET everyone stands by them for some strange reason, ah well have fun with your 100% perfect and completely realistic football simulator, knowing Konami they will give you all exactly what you want because they have been doing it for years.

Oh wait, they have not and will not, wake up and smell the coffee before it's too late, if you need any counselling send me a pm!

[AfroJoe]

No-one is saying it's 100% realistic and flawless. We're just debating your points which seem to have it down as some rubbish game, when it clearly, CLEARLY isn't.

[Kalou]

No PES isn't rubbish, to me it's average because it has too many flaws for me but I can understand why people love it, but saying the game is realistic takes the , of course everyone says it is, nobody said it was flawless I agree but they are getting closer and closer.

My points are just fact, you can't turn around in a circle on this game, it's more like a 50 pence piece, again how can people deny something that is so blatantly obvious?

Love the game if you want, lick Konami's hole if you want and spend the rest of your life in denial if you want, but the least you could do is admit the game has flaws and that it's not 100% realistic, it's not hard is it?

[Kubrick]

Anwyay you fanboys win, I have been trying to make you all see sense since PES3 yet you all have it stuck into your minds that PES is 100% realistic and flawless.
Who said that? I certainly didn't. You, however, did state that Pro Evolution wasn't realistic (100% unrealistic). You tried to establish bias by squealing 'fanboy' as any attacker on a game or console uses when his/her argument has fallen flat. You, like any ineffective debater trying to argue his point, set the bar at perfection, and predictably, when the game didn't meet the expectations set, you had your point and argument. Now, in an edited tirade you establish bias:

Anwyay you fanboys win, I have been trying to make you all see sense since PES3 yet you all have it stuck into your minds that PES is 100% realistic and flawless.

People have been saying PES is realistic for years, did none of you play PES4? that game was 100% arcade gameplay it was fast and fruious and you could turn in an instant to beat a defender, it wasn't an ounce realistic yet epople still claimed it was, why? oh just the usual fanboy.

Why did Konami give us a half assed version for the xbox 360? why do we have the most basic of edit modes and 6 stadiums? let me guess, you will defend them and say they didn't have enough time?

I honestly can't believe people defend Konami and PES so much, they barely give us any new features and when they do they make a mess of the rest of the game YET everyone stands by them for some strange reason, ah well have fun with your 100% perfect and completely realistic football simulator, knowing Konami they will give you all exactly what you want because they have been doing it for years.

Did 'Seabass' steal your girlfriend or some such other reason for such vitriol?


And, you're still deflecting from signing up to the Pro League.

[Kalou]

HAHAHA you have dodged the questions again lol, you crack me up :D

I admit I want perfection, but when I don't get it I don't care, I have played alot of games that have been far from perfect but you don't see me saying it's perfect when it ain't, I like games I can enjoy, PES isn't one with its cheating AI.

Anyway why do I bother? you are determined not to read my posts PROPERLY, this just lets me know you can't handle the truth, come back when you get the balls to answer TWO SIMPLE QUESTIONS.

And by fanboys I mean people who can't amdit the game has flaws and isn't realistic, aka saying you don't turn like a 50 pence piece and that your players ain't on tracks, this is like saying black is white, it's ludicrous.

[AfroJoe]

Love the game if you want, lick Konami's hole if you want and spend the rest of your life in denial if you want, but the least you could do is admit the game has flaws and that it's not 100% realistic, it's not hard is it?

...

Who here is doing that?

You've got to stop with these stupid assumptions.

I have admitted the game has flaws, and in fact PES6 is easily my least favourite of the 6 PES games. Me and a mate have been playing a co-op Master League in PES2 again because it's so much better than PES6.

But you're just being overly negative. The game isn't "average". If anything is average, it's FIFA. PES6 is very good. Just not up to the standards of some of the previous editions.

[Kalou]

To me it's average I said, all it has is good gameplay, put it this way, I could list 4x as much flaws as pros and you expect me to say the game is amazing? it doens't even have the simplest of things for me to like, give me a football game that is responsive, realistic and comes with AI that doesn't cheat THEN you have a good football game.

I ain't talking about you AJ, I am saying Kubrick and that other guy can't admit the game isn't realistic, how they can even lie about players turning like 50p's and move on tracks is ridiculous.

Infact let me get a video off YouTube that shows the players turning like 50p's THEN maybe, just maybe you can admit it.

[Kubrick]

but the least you could do is admit the game has flaws and that it's not 100% realistic, it's not hard is it?
See, kids?

This is an example of shoddy arguing (or debating). One sets the bar at perfection to develop his point that the game has its flaws, because no game can be perfect and any distance between where the game sets the bar and where perfection sets it is distance enough for one to validate his/her argument; however, unsound it is.

Kid Kalou, sign-up to the Pro Evo League, and remember a time when 'Seasbass' didn't hurt you deeply.

[phatmuther]

FIFA 07 is better then PES6, just my personal view.

[Kalou]

Kubrick who is talking about perfection? seriously can you not read English?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEkgcLkZILE

Look at them turn, this isn't real, GET OVER IT.

[Kubrick]

Kubrick who is talking about perfection? seriously can you not read English?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEkgcLkZILE

Look at them turn, this isn't real, GET OVER IT.
That's Pro Evolution Soccer 5.

[Kalou]

lol yeah I forgot the difference between each game is HUGE, very poor excuse my son, play PES5 then PES6 and tell me if the difference is noticeable, no doubt you will say it is :)

Care to answer the two questons yet, my darling? do it through PM if you don't want humiliated.

Anyway Kubrick you win! I could sit here all day proving you wrong but you won't read properly, so have a good day.

http://www.360monster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6506

This is why he can't admit the game isn't perfect because he would be contradicting himself, he pretty much rates the game the same as GOW for crying out loud, everything is a 9 or a 10 and he even claims the AI is godlike lol, fantastic.

Oh and people even said he over-rated it so I guess you can't compete with a guy who thinks PES6 is the amongst the best games in the world hahahaha.

Give us yer Amped 3 review Kubrick, surely it is full of 9's and 10's aswell seeing as you seem to make your reviews up!

[Kubrick]

lol yeah I forgot the difference between each game is HUGE, very poor excuse my son, play PES5 then PES6 and tell me if the difference is noticeable, no doubt you will say it is :)

Care to answer the two questons yet, my darling? do it through PM if you don't want humiliated.

Anyway Kubrick you win! I could sit here all day proving you wrong but you won't read properly, so have a good day.
Kid Kalou, you developed this thread, typed the title and posited an argument pertaining to Pro Evolution Soccer 6, not the previous instalment. Quit weaseling.

Son, you don't know how to play real football, let alone virtual football. When I move with the ball, it tends to go one-way and hence I tend to run with it, it could be different in a mental asylum, but one tends not to speculate. So, therefore that question is based upon ignorance, and a desperation to prove a shoddy point.

The second question is nonsense. Define 'robotic', and define 'organic'. Establish how each real player moves and how each virtual players moves, and thus correspond it to the definitions of 'robotic' and 'organic'. Of course, kid Kalou, it would only take one real player to mimic the 'robotic' moves or one virtual player to mimic the 'organic' moves of PES6 (not PES5) to disprove your theory, and argument.

[WACCOE]

If you're selling FIFA I will buy it.

You can only beat players for pace if you have 99 speed/accel with red form against a defender with 60 speed/accel and green form, passing is good? ROFL the passing is a shambles, you press up and it goes the other way and the power is 100% random.

Even the player nominating is ridiculous, you hit LT half a dozen times to get a player 2 inches away from the ball, and don't even say it's good because it's a fact it sucks beyond belief.

Shooting is random aswell, it just scoops whenever it wants, tap the shoot button and it scoops, it's nonsense, yet put full power on your shots and it only goes over by a little sometimes, the shooting is 100% random.

Controlling the player is hideous, how can I do anything when they are stuck on rails 90% of the time? does it not suck when you pass someone the ball and it rolls 6 mph and the guy receiving it stands like a plank waiting for it to touch his feet? VERY, VERY VERY VERY VERY REALISTIC, I watch football every week and I never see anything like this, never have and never will, why? because it's demented.
ZOMFG. ROFL.

I don't need to read any further than this. Ahahaha.

Two words - Super Cancel. You master that, and you won't need to cry about what is seemingly your only gripes with the game.

Why do you put Cursor Speed on Manual, so it doesn't just change player to a random, like most other decent players will have it.

Ahahaha.

You're a complete and utter joker.

[Kalou]

My only gripes? another one who can't read, let me guess Thornbag, you think this game 100% replicates real life football? ;)

Super cancel should be on by default, and you shouldn't even need super cancel as I have said it's COMMON SENSE to approach the ball, super cancel is an option on this game, in real life it's not, get it?

Why do I put it on manual? so I can defend while another attacks, it changes to much on auto and yes I know you can change that too but it's still too much, anyway is it so hard to give me a player closest to the ball?

How do you know I can't play football Kubrick? not only do you deny the truth you also make up lies? nice one, what next, predicting the future? tell me when I will become rich thanks.

It's as simple as ABC my question, in PES you turn like you are on the corner of a 50 pence piece, seriously what is it you fail to understand? and heres me thinking they spoke English in Ireland but apparently not, just for you I will research your local language and translate this very simple example into it and maybe, just maybe you will not only understand it better, but reply to it, shall I?

Robotic is the tracks, aka can't turn naturally but instantly, do you know what instantly means?

Let me repeat myself for the hundredth time, play PES, watch football and play it again, look here is another very simple example and again you can't understand it, can't or won't? I wonder which one it is.

This isn't about what I think is or isn't perfect, this is about the game being classed as realistic, and as I have said you don't turn like robots in real life, believe me, I have 2 eyes, I subscribe to Sky Sports and Setanta, I watch atleast 1-2 football matches a week and I suggest you do the same because saying PES is realistic just means you don't watch football.

Let me guess, Kubrick the great will totally ignore this thread and splurt out more of his crap about how I am thick and how superb PES is.

Guess what? yep, I give up again :(

Going to sleep soon so that should give you enough time to watch a football match, get up to speed on your reading skills, read my posts properly and think of more nonsense to splurt out, have fun!

[thePhenom]

So basically anyone who is disagreeing with you thinks the game is 100% like real life? I never said the game was 100% perfect, nor has anyone in this thread. I was just saying that the majority of problems you were listed were because you dont know how to play the game, i.e the passing, sprinting, shooting.

[Truplaya83]

So basically anyone who is disagreeing with you thinks the game is 100% like real life? I never said the game was 100% perfect, nor has anyone in this thread. I was just saying that the majority of problems you were listed were because you dont know how to play the game, i.e the passing, sprinting, shooting.

I agree with this.

You need to practice, get some mates round and play a lot. Play against human opponents, not CPU and you'll realise you only turn like a 50p if you hold sprint constantly, shooting is very intuitive, not 'press B and it goes in the top corner' like FIFA.

I had the same gripes as you when i first picked up pro evo 5, i hated it. But i soon learnt how to play it properly and it becomes the best game ever. I now see pro evo 4 as too fast and arcadey.

In conclusion id say PES is a simulation and FIFA is an arcade game. Each good in their own ways. I prefer playing PES, obviouly you dont. We can agree to disagree, its just a matter of opinion.

[phatmuther]

I agree with this.

You need to practice, get some mates round and play a lot. Play against human opponents, not CPU and you'll realise you only turn like a 50p if you hold sprint constantly, shooting is very intuitive, not 'press B and it goes in the top corner' like FIFA.


ehem, not in FIFA 07 or world cup 06 for that matter

[WACCOE]

Phatmuther - he is trying to make a point. The shooting on FIFA is knowhere near as controllable as on PES. You can't direct where you want your shot to go.

Fact, not opinion, so don't bother arguing back.

[phatmuther]

Phatmuther - he is trying to make a point. The shooting on FIFA is knowhere near as controllable as on PES. You can't direct where you want your shot to go.

Fact, not opinion, so don't bother arguing back.

well ill just quote what was said about PES
So basically anyone who is disagreeing with you thinks the game is 100% like real life? I never said the game was 100% perfect, nor has anyone in this thread. I was just saying that the majority of problems you were listed were because you dont know how to play the game, i.e the passing, sprinting, shooting.
get some practice in (Y)

[Joe]

Get PES mate, don't listen to Kalou. He's just not very good at the game :)

[SNK]

I am sorry... I haven't played FIFA 07 yet so I can't say anything about that but after playing a huge amount of PES 6 with my buddy... and I mean a huge amount... but I have to ask.... what do you people see is PES6? I mean this 6th version... other versions are good but this 6th one is so full of crap, I can't believe Konami actually is happy with the final result. I'm sorry to all PES6 lovers but I don't like this game a bit.

Unless you haven't noticed, this frustrating comment comes directly after playing a couple of hours of PES6... and for that reason I don't really feel like laying down an argument... not right now anyway.

PES6 is no good!

[Joe]

but after playing a huge amount of PES 6 with my buddy... and I mean a huge amount

PES6 is no good!
Usually when I dislike a game this much I don't play a "Huge" amount of it.

[Killer 57]

We we're all different, Joe999. I mean, every time I play Dead Rising I want to disembowel myself out of pure frustration, yet I keep chugging along..

[Truplaya83]

I am sorry... I haven't played FIFA 07 yet so I can't say anything about that but after playing a huge amount of PES 6 with my buddy... and I mean a huge amount... but I have to ask.... what do you people see is PES6? I mean this 6th version... other versions are good but this 6th one is so full of crap up its ass, I can't believe Konami actually is happy with the final result. I'm sorry to all PES6 lovers but I don't like this game a bit.

Unless you haven't noticed, this frustrating comment comes directly after playing a couple of hours of PES6... and for that reason I don't really feel like laying down an argument... not right now anyway.

PES6 is no good!

i've disliked every PES when i 1st play it. PES5 especially, but i soon learned is was the best one

[Kubrick]

I subscribe to Sky Sports and Setanta
Then, kid Kalou, I suppose that you've been taught by the best in Jamie Redknapp? ;)

Kubrick the great
I quite like that. Refer to me as such from now on.

[WACCOE]

The thing is though SNK - there is no alternative to PES. Which is unfortunate.

[Kalou]

I have a question, whether I am the best or worst at the game, how would that affect the power of the passes?

I don't want EVERY pass to reach the target, I just want passes with more power, why doesn't anyone understand the difference?

I ain't really complaining about the shots I just said they sucked, how often did I say this, once?

Again what are you on about I don't know how to sprint, holding R1 is so hard? even when I use the quick dribble it makes no difference, that is to knock the ball further infront, I want the player to run faster, this is completely different to dribbling, understand?

[backin-strachan]

Again what are you on about I don't know how to sprint, holding R1 is so hard

You can change the button configuration you know.

I use the Fifa buttons i.e. Shoot-B Slide Tackle-X Spint RT(R2)

[Kalou]

I use PES, aka sprint is the RT so I can use LT for 1-2's.

I played two games and the game isn't as bad as I was making out, for some reason it feels different. I agree they don't turn like robots AS MUCH on the 360 version but it's noticeable on the PS2.

I just hate how every team is good, I went Man UTD and played Charlton, got murdered 2-1 and both of there goals were the same, aka they crossed it, won the header and my keeper saved but the ball landed right at there feet.

Played them again and shagged them stupid, they done one log ball and split my defence in half and scored, and they done the same at the death too, so 2 shots, both on target, both goals scored in the same way.

I still won 4-2 but the point is, I can't seem to get past players whereas there defenders like El Karkouri have the ball glued to his feet, they can dribble for ages, I also don't like how a 50-50 is more like 80-20 in their favour nor do I like the lack of fouling, for example I done a good cross and the keeper parried it, it was coming to Carrick outside the box while the keeper was still on the ground, I tried to control it but the guy just barged me from behind clean off the ball, my erse.

It's still not good though, the AI cheats so much the ML is a waste of time, and online is pretty crap because of the delay AND the fact everyone goes top teams.

Maybe I can't dribble because I need to get used to the analog, who knows.

[WACCOE]

Why do you have to get used to the analog?

[Kalou]

What else can I use? the d-pad is 10x worse :)

[xboxobie]

for once i've had both fifa And Pes6 this year.

For a while i've been a great pes6 fan, But this year I was a little disapointed so i picke dup Fifa aswell.

Sadly none are the quality they could/should have been

However, for offline play Fifa is great.
But online th egame totally changes and simply isnt as much fun.

Pes6, is still a very very good game offline (only marginally beat by fifa)
but online pes6 scores a hatrick over fifa,

only bad thing about pes6 is lack of options/editing.
But they're easily overlooked for quality gameplay

[Kalou]

Also, seeing as I am crap at the game let me ask the masters a question;

Why is it that when my team are attacking to the left, the player I switch to dodges to the right, or the opposite side? it's just giving the CPU enough time to get the ball.

Anyway I had another shot and this game is depressing, put it this way, if you can't stop the CPU from shooting they score, they seem to score that easy I wonder if I actually have a keeper.

As I said 50-50's are more 80-20 for the CPU and the fact I can NEVER dribble past ANYONE whereas the CPU dribble with ANYONE past me with ease, hell they dribble so good they always have more possesion, yet I still rape them with shots.

Ah well I guess you lot will say I suck, doesn't matter anyway, it's on regular and I don't lose, but the game is depressing enough on this nevermind the hardest level.

[Dcontrol]

Why is it that when my team are attacking to the left, the player I switch to dodges to the right, or the opposite side? it's just giving the CPU enough time to get the ball.

Because its a challenge! :p I have found this but you get used to it after a while and try and compensate for it.

Anyway I had another shot and this game is depressing, put it this way, if you can't stop the CPU from shooting they score, they seem to score that easy I wonder if I actually have a keeper.

Well thats a bit obvious. If you don't stop them then they will score eventually. Try different formations out and by the sounds of it defensive ones :D. I regularly experiment with different formations to see how my team plays and it does make a big difference.

As I said 50-50's are more 80-20 for the CPU and the fact I can NEVER dribble past ANYONE whereas the CPU dribble with ANYONE past me with ease, hell they dribble so good they always have more possesion, yet I still rape them with shots.

Its more 60/40 for the cpu I would have said. Practice is all it takes thrown in with a little bit of patience. I have some good dribblers in my ML team it doesn't mean they can take everybody on. You have to work at it and get used to knowing when to sprint and when not to. It does take a while to get used to but I'm sure you can do it Kalou!

[WACCOE]

Also, seeing as I am crap at the game let me ask the masters a question;

Why is it that when my team are attacking to the left, the player I switch to dodges to the right, or the opposite side? it's just giving the CPU enough time to get the ball.

Anyway I had another shot and this game is depressing, put it this way, if you can't stop the CPU from shooting they score, they seem to score that easy I wonder if I actually have a keeper.

As I said 50-50's are more 80-20 for the CPU and the fact I can NEVER dribble past ANYONE whereas the CPU dribble with ANYONE past me with ease, hell they dribble so good they always have more possesion, yet I still rape them with shots.

Ah well I guess you lot will say I suck, doesn't matter anyway, it's on regular and I don't lose, but the game is depressing enough on this nevermind the hardest level.
All this on regular?

My dear god. Take the step up to Top Player.

Then you may have somethnig to cry about.

You can't dribble past anyone on Regualr? Ahaha. Lololololol.

[Kalou]

Not with the analog no, maybe if I played it as much as you I could but I don't so just accept it, immature fud.

[WACCOE]

Why am I immature?

How do you know how long I play PES for?

[Leutrim]

i had both fifa 06 and pes5, in my humble opinion, fifa has always won. I know and I respect other people's view, 'PES will always beat Fifa'. But in retrospect, the gameplay is very smooth on fifa, and u can learn very quickly. Also the manager mode is really deep and intense, oh and did i not forget to mention, fifa has the ream team names.....

All i'm saying is that fifa 07 must be better than fifa 06, ( i haven't played it, YET), and i cant see pes6 being much better than pes5. So if i was u i'd get FIFA07.

[WACCOE]

Pro Evoluton Soccer 6 also has the real team names.

I agree with you though, FIFA gameplay is smooth. But I don't believe that it is as realistic, as what PES is. And that is what I, and a lot of other people look for in a football game, and thus why we opt for PES.

I respect your opinon though, and it's nice to see someone go about boasting there opinion in a well-mannered way.

Thumbs-up, flower. (Y)

[phatmuther]

Sooooo, you value his opinion higher than anyone else in this thread, even though he hasn't played FIFA 07 or PES6. Which is what the thread is about.

Riiiiight.

[WACCOE]

No. Just the way he went about briefing us with his opinion.

Now I have re-read my post, it doesn't sound like that, but nevertheless, it's what I meant.

[phatmuther]

Ok, thats cool.

[Leutrim]

i'm tradin in my old ps2 games at gamestation and i might get fifa07 and pes6. Listen thornbag and phatmuther, i dnt wana cause trouble between u two(if i did). I just want to be apart of the Xbox360 community, hope we can get along, coz i've been readin around and u two and sum others (mostly moderators) seem to know what their talkin about. So, kool, see u lot.

[Leutrim]

oh and ur gamescore is friken huge duude(phatmuther)! keep it up

[phatmuther]

Dont worry about it (Y)

[WACCOE]

No worries.

We enjoy having our little girly hassles. Without it our relationship would be non-exisent.

[Kalou]

Why am I immature?

How do you know how long I play PES for?

Because you're laughing because I said I couldn't dribble, in other words if you can do it anyone else who can't is crap and for some reason I STILL can't dribble, you know that move when you tap the direction you are running in twice, am I the only one that thinks it's harder, ALOT harder with the analog?

Anyway I think this game is best played with equal teams, aka if you go Barcelona and play a crap team it will be depressing as the game seems to rip you off to make it fair, yet if you go a team like Bolton and play Auxerre you get a proper match yet it's alot harder to score but it's by far more enjoyable.

So to put it blunt, if you go Man UTD play another top team.

[mjmaskrey]

I'm not getting on too well with this game online.

In PES I've always been solid at the back and build on that with constant pressure to get my wins....on 6 it's just impossible to defend! The players go AWOL far more than before, the change player cursor is slow and changes at random (so many times I've had a player and pressed to slide tackle only for the game to switch players and make a different guy slide).

All games come down to who can score the most goals rather than a game of stopping each other scoring...as in 'I don't care if he scores now as I'll just thru-ball past his numbskull defenders and score again anyway...and keep doing that over and over'.

And Adriano...why oh why have they made him so ridiculous...99% of people playing the game use Inter or Brazil...it's pathetic they may aswell just had 4-5 teams available for Live play. Adriano hoes just spend the whole game getting him on the ball at the angle from which he scores every time...plus he can barge anyone off the ball and never ever be penalised.

But I still like the game overall...just it's not suited to how I always played the game and I hate Adriano slags.

:)

[WACCOE]

I can't stand PES Vs. the CPU or online, tbh.

It just isn't consistent enough.

Which is why lpaying your mates is why this game is sooooo good. Because it is actually down to human skill. I class myself as a better player than all my mates, so I always go as a team which isn't as good as my mates, and it makes the game very interesting.

Can't beat it.

[Tom90]

Pro evo 6 owns all :D:D

[Leutrim]

i've bought fifa07 and can't help thinkin how much it's changed, it's so much like pes5 when i played it. Overall thought the GAMEPLAY has improved, nothing else, infact it's just collapsed and failed.