Lets Stick everyone on it...DNAD?

[damien©]

It seems as if the view's on our Civil Liberties are looking good, let's stick everyone on the database. This caused me quite some concern about how they view your rights.


The number on the database should be the maximum number you can get.


So should we all be stuck on the the DNA Database, what's more important the rights of the innocent or finding the guilty.

Also matching this with the inclusion of the ID Card System are we moving towards a Big Brother State.

What's your View?

[mjmaskrey]

I've got nothing to hide...all for it.

Dirty paedo's and other scum should be afraid...very afraid!

:)

[Raisedbyflames]

ive got nothing to hide either and i think this is a good thing and will help prevent crime and more terroist attacks on british soil.

they should put tracking chips on every person who enters the country and everyone who commits a crime

[Blaze Lord]

Hmm. I'm not sure I understand. What number is Blair talking about?

[damien©]

Hmm. I'm not sure I understand. What number is Blair talking about?

It was extracted from a conversation he had with Sky News posted on the BBC, and I listened to it on Five News. He was giving the impression that, although not saying specifically that everyone should be on the DNA Database and that politicians view was out of touch with common people.

www.sky.com/news
www.five.tv/new
news.bbc.co.uk

Sorry I can't post direct links I want to carry on playing Top Spin 2 as I suck at it :(

[padds78]

Yep im with MJ and RBF on this one ive got nothing to hide so im also all for it(Y) (Y) (Y)

[Blaze Lord]

The "I've got nothing to hide" line of reason almost always scares me.

But in this case, I'm not sure. At least about the DNA. Tracking chips seem a bit too far, but a DNA database doesn't seem terrible.

[damien©]

But in this case, I'm not sure. At least about the DNA. Tracking chips seem a bit too far, but a DNA database doesn't seem terrible.

Well we already have a very large DNA Database and DNA Profiling Technology, once arrested your DNA is kept even if you are freed without charge.

Something I don't agree with.

[Blaze Lord]

Why don't you? You're fingerprinted here when you're arrested, and they keep those even if you're freed or the charges dismissed. DNA just seems like better fingerprinting to me.

[Tobes]

LOL. Nothing to hide... sure. Guess you all buy your music and films.

Anyway. I will just move to the US anyway. There is no chance this kind of stuff would happen there.

[damien©]

Why don't you? You're fingerprinted here when you're arrested, and they keep those even if you're freed or the charges dismissed. DNA just seems like better fingerprinting to me.

I believe your Innocent till Proven Guilty. Innocent people don't need to be tracked, don't need to be monitored and they don't need the Government and the Police keeping tabs on them. Fair enough do it to monitor and capture people that might reoffend.

Why sacrifice the Rights of the Many to Save the Few?

[Blaze Lord]

Keeping tabs, tracking, monitoring, these are all active processes. Holding someone's DNA in a file somewhere, and using it in a comparison many years down the line in a crime investigation, that's not tracking and monitoring. That's simply having a larger reference pool. The tracking chips that RBF is talking about is an active process.

[Tobes]

What if there was a crime. 5 peoples DNA was found and someone got locked up even though it wasn't them who commited the crime?

[Blaze Lord]

...Huh? I'm not sure I follow this hypothetical.

[damien©]

Sorry yea I don't know why I said that...there was more a reference to the inclusion of ID Cards Coming Soon which to me paints a very bad picture.

DNa as we know can tell us alot of information, they are more than just fingerprints they are your family history, it is your physical appearance, it's the source code to the human body.

So why do they need to build up a profile of everyone in the country matching similar DNA finding Blood Lines and consequently end up knowing more than you about yourself. Remember this is Innocent people here, probably never committed a crime in there life. Yet all this Information can be gathered from the smallest of things.

This doesn't effect me that much because of DNA Profiling I'm already on the Database via my brothers. However I don't think this should be case for me.

And the saying "Well I've got nothing to hide" I love your right you have got nothing to hide but why are you being asked to give up anything.

Also the reliability on DNA is a dangerous thing, even with Todays standards there are plenty of Cold Cases with a source of your DNA already and the convience what is stopping anybody planting your DNA on a Victim. Then via a Quick Search the Police are arresting you on the Suspicion of Rape/Murder/Etc.

I think it causes more problems than it solves.

[mjmaskrey]

LOL. Nothing to hide... sure. Guess you all buy your music and films.

And the last time DNA was used in an illegal download case was.................??

Unless you know something I don't, which I'm sure you think you do, DNA isn't transmitted through keyboard keys and stored in Bit Torrent database or trackers, ISP logs etc. etc.

Too many kids now have to be against something because 'it's the Government'...sitting there listening to Fallout Boy Cd's thinking of new ways to rebel 'we need to stick it to The Man'.....personally I'd rather have paedo's more fearful of commiting a crime and spoiling a child's whole life.

:)

[Blaze Lord]

I guess you have a point Big D, but not a very strong one. DNA testing has overturned more false-guilty sentences than it has created. By an overwhelming degree. A huuuuge degree. Don't lose sight of that.

As for the idea that they'll end up knowing more about you than you know yourself, well. I think we're a great deal away from Gattaca.

Anything can be planted with enough effort. DNA isn't any more susceptible to that than any other kind of evidence.

Furthermore, DNA is far, far less subjective than fingerprinting. Fingerprint matching is more art than science than a lot of people realize, and moving over to something that is more reliable, like DNA, is just a good thing.

[Tobes]

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I know that lol. But they plan to use these ID cards. So imagine one day if these cards were our life. They tracked what we bought and where. I know that's not to do with downloading. But imagine if to log on to computers we had to scan our card chip or something :O That would scare me.

[damien©]

Yea but what's going to happen when my DNA is found in a Park, where a girl was murdered. They find my DNA at the scene. Obviously head back to the FSS and check the DNA on the Database my Name pops up as the "Suspect".

So they come to my House and Arrest Me or "Interview Me at the Station", know how the hell can I explain why my DNA is at the Scene, I can't. I'm a liar!

So then what happens, Media get a hold of it and are able to Publish my Name as in the UK the "Suspect" doesn't have anonymity like a Rape Victim or any other victim for that matter. Well anyway Investigation continues, Media Cmapaign continues and I'd can't be freed as my DNA was at the Scene and the Judge denies me Bail.

So for the period of Investigation I am behind Bars, the Media have dug up all the crap on me and posted it in the Paper the reasoning "theres no Smoke with out fire" this would then have an obvious effect of my Social Well Being and my Families especially if I was freed and no one else was arrested.

I would remain the Key Suspect and also possibly face an onslaught of vigilante attacks.

Can you honestly tell me that this couldn't happen?

And all this to ONE innocent man...To catch a few guilty ones!

[Blaze Lord]

But the same would be true if you dropped a wrapper with your fingerprint, or if you accidentally dropped a credit card receipt there. This isn't an artifact of specifically DNA evidence.

The question isn't why not use DNA, but rather, why couldn't you explain how your DNA was there?

[Tobes]

Fingerprints are not on file unless you have had them taken before.

[damien©]

But the same would be true if you dropped a wrapper with your fingerprint, or if you accidentally dropped a credit card receipt there. This isn't an artifact of specifically DNA evidence.

They would first have to know what my fingerprints were, which they don't!

I don't have a Credit Card :p

I can see your point but DNA Evidence and Wrapper at the Scene don't carry the same force.

I can't see many judges letting a man out on Bail after hearing his DNA was found at the scene, but if he heard his Credit Card Receipt was there or a Twirl Chocolate Bar Wrapper was found at the scene, the Judge would dismiss it as coincidental/ or lack of evidence.

DNA carries a huge force of view the idea of it being "perfect" o the public could have huge consequences for Individual Freedoms.

[Blaze Lord]

I can't see many judges letting a man out on Bail after hearing his DNA was found at the scene, but if he heard his Credit Card Receipt was there or a Twirl Chocolate Bar Wrapper was found at the scene, the Judge would dismiss it as coincidental/ or lack of evidence.

Not necessarily. I mean, if the DNA is a hair folicle found nearby, that's just as coincidental as the wrapper or the receipt. If the DNA is your blood or your semen, then that should carry more force.

[AK.]

i think every criminal with a record no matter what should be stuck on a database

[Tobes]

they are.........

[WACCOE]

Blahdeblah.

*doesn't read rest of posts*

I'm all for it :)