1080p coming to the 360...

[damien©]

Good news from the Tokyo Game Show...

http://www.360monster.com/newspost.php?id=0000001196

What do you lads think?

[HotFish]

Great...but not many things pump out 1080p yet..not even SkyHD just 1080i. Both my tv's can handle 1080i - but i still prefer 1280x720 as i dont get tears in the screen.

But it's another punch into Sony's belly - as i think they were dropping the prospect of the PS3 churning out 1080p as many games couldnt pass 720p

Let's hope when it comes out it addresses some problems and makes the 360 a winner furthermore

cya

[Fleeboi]

Amazing! I knew it was possible and it's good to see MS giving the consumers what they want.

[DONK]

It’s good news (Y)

But who can afford a good brand 1080p TV.

[Fleeboi]

It’s good news (Y)

But who can afford a good brand 1080p TV.

True, but further down the line when they become much cheaper it'll be worth it then. I think the next TV I'll buy is a 1080p now after hearing the 360 can do it.

[Raisedbyflames]

this is my guess lads, only some games will support it as their rule is all games need 720p so the higher tech games in the future wont have 1080p

[damien©]

But wouldn't it then upscale the game to 1080p say if it only suppoorted 720p...So you'd still get a better quality picture. Or would you?

[Raisedbyflames]

yeah mate 720p is still 720p just stretch to a 1080 picture so i doubt it will improve the picture a whole lot

[padds78]

Great...but not many things pump out 1080p yet..not even SkyHD just 1080i. Both my tv's can handle 1080i - but i still prefer 1280x720 as i dont get tears in the screen.
cya

Ive got my samsung at 1080 for my 360 and i dont seem to get any tearing:unsure: but im no expert im a noob to all this HD melarcky:geek:
So does that mean there is no need for me to have it up at 1080?

[glidem]

Don't get too excited, it just says it will output 1080p, except for HD DVD, I doubt any games will bother (except for maybe Xbox Live Arcade ones)...

The only reason Sony has two (count them), yes two games that support 1080p is its marketing spin. This is more important for movies!

[damien©]

I agree Glidem but it's a good rebute to people who try to argue that the 360 isn't graphically powerful enough

[Bigcon100]

absolutley awesome news, and teh more games that use it the better!!

[MisterMalaka]

Amazing! I knew it was possible and it's good to see MS giving the consumers what they want.

Most consumers don't even know why they want it.

Only Star Wars and Click have been filmed in that resolution. HD is being pushed way too quickly..

[phatmuther]

Most consumers don't even know why they want it.

Only Star Wars and Click have been filmed in that resolution. HD is being pushed way too quickly..

for the uk maybe, but for america and japan its what they use, they are miles ahead of us.

[Headshot]

will a good HD PC moniter run the equivilent of 1080?

[phatmuther]

a good one, yes. isnt 1080 1920x1080?
so if your monitor can go up to that, natively, then its all good (Y)
but if you have a cheapy LCD one that is natively 1280x1024 then the best you can do is 720p

[Raisedbyflames]

yeah my tvdoes 1080i but it wont do it on the pc connection it goes up to the max thevga cable can do so thats ok with me

[Headshot]

so when this update comes out the otion to choose from the 1920x1080 resolution will be there? coz my moniter can do 1920x1080 but the option for it does not come up on the resoltion page

[MisterMalaka]

so when this update comes out the otion to choose from the 1920x1080 resolution will be there? coz my moniter can do 1920x1080 but the option for it does not come up on the resoltion page

Set it to 1080i.

That's the equivalent.

[Chuck]

Does anyone know if my new LG 27LZ55 Flat Panel TV (http://www.dixons.co.uk/martprd/store/dix_page.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1620960788.115877765 9@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccdhaddiljgefgecflgceggdhhmdgmh.0&page=Product&sku=767687) would work at 1080p
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f331/burgess_ra/Picture009.jpg

[MisterMalaka]

That just looks like an excuse to show off your sexy monitor. You know the answer to that question.

[Karma]

sound good. Can't wait. I got my 360 a while ago so it'll be a interesting addition.

[Bigcon100]

a good one, yes. isnt 1080 1920x1080?

yeah it is, + i think 1080p is better than 1080i (p progressive, i inteligent?)

[Blaze Lord]

i = Interlaced.

Interlaced means every other line gets updated during a frame. So only half the image changes at once. Progressive is every line gets updated at the same time.

[Bigcon100]

thanx, so p is teh best to aim for. are there any games that use 1080p (probaly not)? if not, are there any planned?

[Blaze Lord]

Not yet. The 360 supposedly will be able to 'upscale', which is basically just fudging your way to something higher.

[Bigcon100]

ah, so it isnt PROPER 1080p, its like digital zoom which is aweful compared to optical?

[Blaze Lord]

Nah, upscaling isn't that bad. That's really more like... downscaling, I guess.

[Bigcon100]

ok, i guess we'll find out soon

[glidem]

Upscaling can provide very good results, but 1080p in games at 60fps just isn't practical without some upscaling. 720p still has a very high resolution (1280x720) and don't forget the FSAA (full scene anti-aliasing) increases the resolution appearance even more, so it is more of a gimmick for gaming 1080p. 1080p is best for movies at 24fps.

[Blaze Lord]

I've been wondering about that 1080p60 too. MS was claiming for a while that p60 just wasn't possible this gen at 1080, and even if it were, the current home user cable technology probably couldn't handle that bandwidth anyway. Are they completely turning around on that, or is this just p30, and they aren't telling us?

[glidem]

To be honest this 1080p stuff for gaming is getting quite complicated, but as you say from a previous podcast 1080p at 60fps was just insane for gaming and not practical and maybe even not possible with current technologies.

I doubt many of us actually own a 1080p 60fps capable TV anyway so stick with 720p or 1080i :) 1080p 24fps should be great for those who own a capable TV for movies (HD DVD), but for gaming I am still very sceptical.

[leeeee35]

Thats excelent news hdmi is a digital conection.

[Bigcon100]

this is all quite complicated. will this only happen with the HDMI cable + drive thing headshot told me about

[glidem]

Apparantly 1080p for gaming works through componant, but you have to use VGA for 1080p with HD DVD movies for legal reasons.

[Domfunkle]

but you have to use VGA for 1080p with HD DVD movies for legal reasons.

Explain...

And also, HDMI would be a good move for the 360 to be able to handle the 1080p60 goodness chugging its way to my 81cm HDTV, although, wouldn't fibre-optics be an option?

[glidem]

There is a legal requirement that HD DVD (also for Bluray I believe) must not be transmitted in 1080p through a component cable, this is probably to help prevent piracy. However there is no stipulation for VGA to have this, so VGA can present the 1080p signal. Over componant it will be 1080i.

Fibre-optics? HDMI seems to be the format that everyone will use and is the standard as it uses video and audio over one single connection. I doubt another standard will appear now.

[Domfunkle]

Doesn't the 360 AV plug have a fibre-optic port in the back? I've never tried it out, but my friend tells me that he's using it to connect it to his surround-sound system. Surely FO can carry 2 signals at once, I mean it has a bandwidth of about 2.6gbps if my network medium knowledge serves me well...

...which brings me to my other point/question: There's a FO port in both my TV and 360 AV plug (if that's what it is), but there's no FO option when i configure the main input for my TV (ie. Flip though channels: Component 1, Component 2, AV 1, AV 2, HDMI/DVI, etc.) sooo...i dunno?

[glidem]

The fibre-optic port for the Xbox 360 is for audio only and provides Dolby Digital surround sound for games and movie playback. This will be the same for your TV, as a means of receiving audio.

[Bigcon100]

how much are surround sound that use fibre optics??

ALL THIS LOOKS LIKE HI-DEF GOODNESS TO MY EYES AND (fibre optic) 5.1 SURROUND SOUND TO MY EARS

[glidem]

Most have a Digital audio connection (fibre-optic) nowadays. Remember there is a new audio format in the future called Dolby Digital True HD and DTS has something similar. This is again for use with HD DVD and Bluray, but I don't know of any surround systems that support this yet and would imagine they would be extremely expensive. Standard Dolby Digital 5.1 sounds great for games and DVD movies though and is a must with or without a HDTV.

[LTomlinson21]

Not too many people have TV's that support 1080p.

[glidem]

Especially 1080p 60fps!!

[Bigcon100]

Most have a Digital audio connection (fibre-optic) nowadays. Remember there is a new audio format in the future called Dolby Digital True HD and DTS has something similar. This is again for use with HD DVD and Bluray, but I don't know of any surround systems that support this yet and would imagine they would be extremely expensive. Standard Dolby Digital 5.1 sounds great for games and DVD movies though and is a must with or without a HDTV.

we got a samsung tv + a £100 LG 5.1 surround. now my dad wants a samsung surround, so i gonna have to amke sure he gets a fibre optic one

Do fibre optic sound better than a normal cable???

[glidem]

No it is just the way it transmits the information that is different.

[Bigcon100]

ok, so it doesnt actualy make a difference, so doesnt matter to me! thanx glidem

[glidem]

Well it does as Xbox 360 and a lot of other devices including Sky+, DVD players have fibre-optic outputs so best to make sure your amplifier/surround system supports it.

Xbox 360 ONLY has fibre-optic output for surround sound!

[Blaze Lord]

Well, you can use some upmixing off the stereo, can't you?

[glidem]

That is not true 5.1 surround though and would not compare at all to the real thing. If you have a Dolby Surround receiver (stereo feed), you can get a nice result, however still far below what Dolby Digital 5.1 provides for gaming and films.

[mjmaskrey]

From Stereo source best you can get is Dolby Pro Logic II (unless that's changed now) which isn't too hot at all...rear sound was particularly bad when I had a Pro Logic system.

:)

[Blaze Lord]

Still, upmixing is a marked improvement over a set of stereo speakers and a simple crossover to a sub. Having any sort of sound at the rear is nice.

[Bigcon100]

Xbox 360 ONLY has fibre-optic output for surround sound![/QUOTE]

ARGH!! so i need an HDMI cable + a new surround system, not a good time to be my dad's wallet!

[glidem]

HDMI Cable? Whats the HDMI cable for unless I have missed something :)

[Bigcon100]

for the picture??? 360 is HD isnt it?

[damien©]

for the picture??? 360 is HD isnt it?

Yea it is but you don't need HDMI to get a HD Picture. The most common way is via Component Cable. HDMI is to beused in some devices more down to the protection it provides from copying images and audio. As the signal is Digitally Encrpyted.

[glidem]

for the picture??? 360 is HD isnt it?

Yep the Xbox 360 supports HD, but it doesn't support HDMI (again HDMI is just a different way to transmit the information) so far. If you purchased the Premium Xbox 360, you would have a cable with 6 connecting cables. 3 for standard TV that has one video (yellow) and 2 audio cables (red, white), and the other 3 are for Componant HD. There is a switch on the cable to select TV or HDTV.

I would make sure your HDTV supports HDMI though as it will be used more and more in the future!

[tom91]

do the new samsung tvs support it? as thats what were getting.

[Bigcon100]

1. i my getting premium
2. my tv has hdmi input slots
3. i cant use the component slot

what cables will i get/ need / use?

[glidem]

do the new samsung tvs support it? as thats what were getting.

I have a Samsung 32" HDTV from about a year ago and that has HDMI so I would imagine the newer models do. If you are concerned post a link to the one you are after and I will have a look for you....

1. i my getting premium
2. my tv has hdmi input slots
3. i cant use the component slot

what cables will i get/ need / use?

Does your HDTV have a VGA input? You can get a VGA cable for the Xbox 360 that supports HD.

[Bigcon100]

yeah. vga, component, hdmi + scart slots

[glidem]

Well if you are already using your componant inputs on your HDTV, VGA would be the obvious second choice :)

[Blaze Lord]

In fact, you should definitely use VGA, because as of right now it's the only way to use the upcoming 1080p.

[glidem]

As far as HD DVD is concerned that is true, but I think 1080p gaming is possible through componant.

[Blaze Lord]

...Why would that be? Oh, oh. AACS.

[glidem]

Yeah it's a legal thing not a technology related one :)

[Raisedbyflames]

vga is much better for gaming anyway, alot less jaggy edges and everything is alot niced to look at

[glidem]

I have tried VGA on mine, although when you use VGA you have less options on my Samsung to change the colour, brightness etc which means I always stick with componant, which looks amazing anyway I have to say.

[damien©]

I prefered Component to VGA but thats because I have a Crap VGA Picture...

Although on my Fathers 42" Plasma VGA seemed to look the best, I suppose it must come down to the TV and Personal Preference....

[Raisedbyflames]

what i did glide is switch to a normal channel changed the settings in their and when i went to vga channel it works i wonder why they limit things likethat strange i think.

[glidem]

It is a shame, otherwise I would use VGA... Thanks for your suggestion, may give that a try.

[Bigcon100]

does hdmi not run 1080

i though hdmi wqas better than vga which is beter than scart????

(oh yeah, my sig pic is a slightly blured pic of me + my cruches!!)

[glidem]

Everything is better than scart (VGA, componant, HDMI) as scart can not deliver a HD signal...

HDMI is not currently supported on the Xbox 360. To be honest HDMI is not that different to componant visual quality wise, although it is something that will develop and get better over time.

[Bigcon100]

when will it be out? isnt there meant to be a HD-drive add-on? to play HD-DVD's? will i be able to use that to pay games as well on my xbox + tv

[Blaze Lord]

..I don't think I understand the questions, but I'll try. The 1080p update is expected sometime this fall, yes there's an HD-DVD add on, and no it won't play games.

[glidem]

when will it be out? isnt there meant to be a HD-drive add-on? to play HD-DVD's? will i be able to use that to pay games as well on my xbox + tv

There is no information on whether Microsoft is releasing a HDMI connection for the Xbox 360...

There is HD DVD Drive Add on coming soon that will play HD DVD movies, but it won't be used as storage for games on the Xbox 360 (rightly so in my opinion).

[Bigcon100]

ok, so there will be HD-DVD drive, but not for games
there is no hdmi, so i have to take the dvd player off component + put the 360 on it.

ok!

[glidem]

Unless you use the VGA option...

[Bigcon100]

Unless you use the VGA option...

oh yeah, but i will use the 360 more than the dvd player.
but we spent £60 on cables for teh DVD player > component. will tehse work with 360?

(i really will have to wait till i get it, look at teh back, look in the box + look at my tv)

[glidem]

The 360 Premium comes with Componant cables.

[Blaze Lord]

Will the component cables you bought for the DVD player work on the 360? No. But the 360 already comes with component cables. Still, you'll be better off using VGA for the 360, because VGA is classified as “authorized computer monitor output” and is allowed to output 1080p. So:

Component:

* HD-DVD: max 1080i (thanks to AACS)
* DVD: upscaled to max 480p (thanks to CSS)
* Games: 720p upscaled to 1080p, maybe in the future there will be 1080p native games.

VGA:

* HD-DVD: max 1080p.
* DVD: upscaled to max 1080p.
* Games: 720p upscaled to 1080p, maybe in the future there will be 1080p native games.

[Bigcon100]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! awesome!!!!

so im better of using VGA anyway (which i wil have to cos my dad wont not use super DVD player cables he bought)

+ there is no hdmi, so its VGA. which comes with the premium, which im getting. so on Xmas day, ill be able to pay smackdown on my brand bew 360, with a faceplate (htta headshot's gettin me; ill get him a GoW or halo 3 one) ON A VGA LEAD + KNOW THAT IT's BETTER THAB ANYTHING ELSE!!

thanx to blaze + glidem for both persisting + making this a massive help + explain thread

[Blaze Lord]

Iiiiiiiii don't think the VGA does come with the premium. Unless that's changed since launch?

[glidem]

The VGA cable is sold separately!

[Bigcon100]

oh no!!! wel thats £20. if my dad thinks he'll get away with a £200 core system, then he's wrong! £280 prepium, £20 cable, £40 game!!!!!! oooooo, at least it'll restore my faith in santa

[Veles]

Don't get too excited, it just says it will output 1080p, except for HD DVD, I doubt any games will bother (except for maybe Xbox Live Arcade ones)

Halo 3 will reportedly run 1080p natively.

Also, a picture has been leaked from a 360 factory of a port that looks quite alot like an HDMI port.

[Bigcon100]

Halo 3 will reportedly run 1080p natively.

Also, a picture has been leaked from a 360 factory of a port that looks quite alot like an HDMI port.


all very good news indeed

[damien©]

Halo 3 will reportedly run 1080p natively.

Also, a picture has been leaked from a 360 factory of a port that looks quite alot like an HDMI port.

I can't see this happening, this is a case of have and have not's... You can't release an Upgrade for a Console unless the previous consumers can get the same thing at least as an accesory...

So Built-In HDMI for me isn't happening and I highly doubt Microsoft are that stupid.

[Bigcon100]

oh, ypu've dampened my spirits, but oh well!!! ik still lookin forward to my 360! i gonna fully connect it up + do my gamer pic + all so its perfect before i first play on samckdown

[squirrel]

When i watch a DVD on the 360 my TV sets to 526p (something like that)

Whats all that about? My 360 is set to 1080i but flicks to 526p.

Should the switch be at HDTV or TV when you watch a DVD?

[WACCOE]

Are you using a HDtelebox?

[squirrel]

Yesh. Sony 40" tingy ma jig.

[glidem]

That is normal so it uses the standard DVD resolution.

[phatmuther]

yeah tis normal, smae thing happens to me (Y)

[squirrel]

So it dosent matter that the HDTV switch is set to HD not TV (Because its obviously not outputting at HD for DVD)

[damien©]

So it dosent matter that the HDTV switch is set to HD not TV (Because its obviously not outputting at HD for DVD)

No as yet there is no upscaling involved...So the DVDs picture is Standard-Def

[squirrel]

Thanks everyone :)

[damien©]

Thanks everyone :)

Don't hijack my Thread...Lol :D

[Bigcon100]

Don't hijack my Thread...Lol :D

lol. me, gildem + blazelord already did that!

[tom91]

actually how much better is this than 720p? because we are only just getting a 720p

[glidem]

720p = 1280x720 resolution
1080p= 1920x1080 resolution

So quite a large difference! Also the films in particular are at 24 frames per second, so for the first time we have the same as the cinema meaning a lovely representation without dodgy adding of frames (PAL 25fps, NTSC 30fps). I am sure they will look stunning at 720p as well though, but 1080p will be mind blowing for films.

[tom91]

ffs, ive been waiting ages for our samsung and now thers something better going to be around

[glidem]

To be honest this is why people have to research so heavily before investing in HD, there are a lot of factors involved and 1080p is probably one of the latest.

I have a Samsung at 720p and will not be getting a 1080p one till maybe late next year at the earliest, and yet I am still getting the HD DVD device for the Xbox 360 as I am sure the quality is still going to be far better than DVD.

You only have to look at the very highly compressed examples of 720p video on the Marketplace to see how good the quality is going to be.

[tom91]

do u still think getting a 720p samsung now is worth it? if not it would mean we are stuck till next year untill 1080p's come down in price.

[glidem]

It depends on your budget more than anything and indeed your patience!

[tom91]

well im very impatient lol

[Blaze Lord]

720's fine for more than a few years, I think. I wouldn't be too worried about it.

[Bigcon100]

720's fine for more than a few years, I think. I wouldn't be too worried about it.

same.

should i keep my ps2 (+ eventualy 360) on the big tv, but not get to play it as much as if it was on the smaller tv (which is quite a bit smaller + isnt flatscreen)????? (:/)*:brow:*(:/)
EDIT: big tv= AV / HDMI (is you can play games through it)
Smaller tv= component....

[shappers]

cant wait for it baby

[Tobes]

cant wait for it baby

for what?

Also I see your new but can you contribute a bit more in your posts please. We wouldnt want to think your a troller now ;)

[Bigcon100]

cant wait for it baby

for what?

tobez, he cant waith for the thread title, 1080p!?!?! its already out isnt it???

[Tobes]

tobez, he cant waith for the thread title, 1080p!?!?! its already out isnt it???

Well done.

/claps

:brow:

[damien©]

tobez, he cant waith for the thread title, 1080p!?!?! its already out isnt it???

Yea 1080p support was released for the last update, only a movie format really from what I can see. Developers will continue to launch games in Native 720p and the odd one or two will add native 1080p support.

I think it's only been added for the HD-DVD Drive, but the best part of the update is the upscaling for standard DVD's

[Bigcon100]

Well done.

/claps

:brow:
thanx. i'm real proud of myself


Yea 1080p support was released for the last update, only a movie format really from what I can see. I think it's only been added for the HD-DVD Drive, but the best part of the update is the upscaling for standard DVD's

yeah, 720p + 1080i will do me. it is just for the HDDrive, which is quite a way off (i think, 4 months-ish)