9/11 Documentary

[backin-strachan]

Apologies before I even start to anyone who this may upset.

However I think there has to be a time when you have to talk and an engaging documentary on British TV encouraged me to make this thread.

I would imagine a lot of you seen it and would like to hear your thoughts on how some of the amazing stories of survivors and the construction of the towers also?

Again I apolgise but wanted to hear some responses from others:(

[damien©]

Haven't seen it... The only thing that upsets me about 9/11 is the "convenent" stories that took place around that day. I think there's alot of unanswered questions surrounding that day.

Also the American Governement in general along with alot of Western Governements have a lot of questions to answer. As I feel theres stuff we are being left in the dark about.

[backin-strachan]

Sorry

I have just realised that its in the wrong section. It was just that I was in new posts and clicked on General chat at the side not realsing it was "360" General chat

[damien©]

I'm sure a Mod will move it

[TBS Trojan]

there's been a lot of film about 9/11. so far none really tell us anymore than i knew, but i guess they try to guess some of the blanks.

[RiLu@]

I think the recordings around the pentagon that were taken by the FBI should be shown to the american people

[Raisedbyflames]

i wonder if thsihadden of happend would we be at war with terroism or would we of just sat backand let the jews take all the heat

[damien©]

I think we should stop the War on Terrorism, and play by the rules.

9/11 opened alot of issues. However I fail to see how bombing the hell out of two countries is going to stop this. US and Israeli Involvement can not be ignored in this. Even Donald Rumsfield was quoted prior to 9/11 saying we need a Modern-Day Pearl Harbour.

[backin-strachan]

We know why we are in Iraq and its because Bush Snr could do his job.

The documentary I watched showed how many incidents beforehand could have prevented this incident. It even showed you footage of one of the hyjackers passing through customs with a 4 inch blade in his back pocket.

[crashlock]

I was up the top of the South Tower in March of 2001, I still even have my student admission ticket! When I turned my TV on in early afternoon of September 11th I was totally stunned. I had tuned in shortly after the first plane hit the North Tower, so my thoughts were with the people who were possibly trapped in the top floors above the impact. I remember thinking about the time when I was on the viewing platform at the top of the South Tower, back then I was thinking how they must have emergency parachutes incase of fires or something. So I was half expecting to see people base jumping from the top. Turns out they didn't have parachutes and still they jumped :( When I think of people doing that I feel so sick inside, seriously the towers was so high the thought of falling from that height is gut wrenching!
Then the second plane hit. It came from no where! It will probably be the most shocking thing I shall ever see. At that point I was thinking of the future. What will be the future. How is America going to react and what will happen to the buildings? And of course the biggest questions were who and why are people doing this? By this point the news was talking about more planes and attacks. Then I saw the South Tower I had been up only months before fall from the sky. To be totally honest I actually had tears in my eyes and hands over my mouth in total shock. I couldn't stop swearing and shaking my head. I was thinking how many people must have just been killed inside and below the tower (Under the towers was like a shopping center that linked the two towers together and to the Subway). Then the North Tower went. It was so unreal. I was transfixed to the TV. The world seriously changed that day. I will never forget.

I rented out the 9/11 documentary and thought it was amazing. I'd fully recommend anyone watching it. I hope those Muslims ******s who think terror attacks are justified saw that documentary. Especially the footage in the streets of the people from all around the world. Those innocent people from all religions were in the towers and in the planes.



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[RiLu@]

I was up the top of the South Tower in March of 2001, I still even have my student admission ticket! When I turned my TV on in early afternoon of September 11th I was totally stunned. I had tuned in shortly after the first plane hit the North Tower, so my thoughts were with the people who were possibly trapped in the top floors above the impact. I remember thinking about the time when I was on the viewing platform at the top of the South Tower, back then I was thinking how they must have emergency parachutes incase of fires or something. So I was half expecting to see people base jumping from the top. Turns out they didn't have parachutes and still they jumped :( When I think of people doing that I feel so sick inside, seriously the towers was so high the thought of falling from that height is gut wrenching!
Then the second plane hit. It came from no where! It will probably be the most shocking thing I shall ever see. At that point I was thinking of the future. What will be the future. How is America going to react and what will happen to the buildings? And of course the biggest questions were who and why are people doing this? By this point the news was talking about more planes and attacks. Then I saw the South Tower I had been up only months before fall from the sky. To be totally honest I actually had tears in my eyes and hands over my mouth in total shock. I couldn't stop swearing and shaking my head. I was thinking how many people must have just been killed inside and below the tower (Under the towers was like a shopping center that linked the two towers together and to the Subway). Then the North Tower went. It was so unreal. I was transfixed to the TV. The world seriously changed that day. I will never forget.

I rented out the 9/11 documentary and thought it was amazing. I'd fully recommend anyone watching it. I hope those Muslims ******s who think terror attacks are justified saw that documentary. Especially the footage in the streets of the people from all around the world. Those innocent people from all religions were in the towers and in the planes.



I think you change this part of your post, not many muslims think this was good. When you put it that way you go against milions of people.

The people behind say they are muslims but they don't, islam goes against all this.

[JJBDude]

I've watched a couple of those documentarys which have been going on for the past few days, and it is touching. Thing that gets me is people being forced to jump out of windows, having to commit suicide because of the attack. :(

I watched the one bout Millionaire Widdows, just sickened me. Widows had become celebritys and took it all for granted, being money grabbers. (N)

[damien©]

I think you change this part of your post, not many muslims think this was good. When you put it that way you go against milions of people.

The people behind say they are muslims but they don't, islam goes against all this.

I agree with you in the first part...However Islam, Christainity and Judiasum all suffer from the same problem. They all suffer from the theory that other Religions are infeer therefore making the follwers the same.

So to say that Islam doesn't teach the destruction of Jews and Christains or Infidels is not true. THe same applies to both the Jewish and Christain Bibles.

However Modern Beliefs have altered this into an acception that people can have different views to others without there being problems. This however isn't spread worldwide and often can cause classes of cultures.

[RiLu@]

It just that in this case, the bad guys it's this small group and makes others do the dirty work for them. It's not by any way about religion.

[crashlock]

London Daily Telegraph : YouGov survey of British Muslims

1. Six percent of British Muslims believe the bombings in London were justified -- and another 6 percent "don't know" whether they were justified or not. Six percent sounds a small number, but it represents 100,000 people.

2. Ten percent of British Muslims feel "not at all loyal" to the country, and a further 6 percent feel "not very loyal."

3. Fifty-six percent of British Muslims "can understand" why the bombers behaved as they did.
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Musilms need to understand this.. A small amount of Muslims attacked innocent people in the western world. Just Muslims, no other relgion. You can't blame people in the west for singling you out. If your a Muslim and you want people to stop being wary of Mulims, then try harder to intergrate into our culture and do more to stop radicalism within your religion. I'm not saying all Muslims are against the west in my post. I was reffering to Muslims who supported such acts of terrorism. I'm not changing my post.

[shanemaester]

the only documentary i've ever seen about this is the one the 2 french guys made following the rookie firefighter and getting inside the buildings etc :)

[damien©]

It just that in this case, the bad guys it's this small group and makes others do the dirty work for them. It's not by any way about religion.

Your right and terrorism never is.

The IRA justified Bombing in the 70's to the late 90's on Freedom for the Irish people. When if they were commited to that they wouldn't have turned into Criminal Gangs like now.

I'm yet to find one "Freedom Fighter" that actually wants Freedom and not Control.

They will use all means neccesary to gain control and if disturting the truth will get them there so be it.


3. Fifty-six percent of British Muslims "can understand" why the bombers behaved as they did.


This point is useless. Most people can understand why they did what they did the fact that British Muslims can understand it is no surprise.

Understanding something and Supporting it are two very distinct things. I can understand why the IRA tried to Kill Margret Thacther but It doesn't mean I supported it.

[shanemaester]

Your right and terrorism never is.

The IRA justified Bombing in the 70's to the late 90's on Freedom for the Irish people. When if they were commited to that they wouldn't have turned into Criminal Gangs like now.

I'm yet to find one "Freedom Fighter" that actually wants Freedom and not Control.

They will use all means neccesary to gain control and if disturting the truth will get them there so be it.

that was one cool game (Y) well freedom fighters

[damien©]

that was one cool game (Y) well freedom fighters

I've still got it but I never really liked it.

[crashlock]

the only documentary i've ever seen about this is the one the 2 french guys made following the rookie firefighter and getting inside the buildings etc :)

That's called "9/11" - I thought that was what we were talking about. Mind you there has been so many 9/11 programmes on lately due to the anniversary.

[phatmuther]

i visited ground zero while in new york this year and i felt nothing.
meh, people, get over it.

[shanemaester]

That's called "9/11" - I thought that was what we were talking about. Mind you there has been so many 9/11 programmes on lately due to the anniversary.

are we?! :D

im with you there were so many on laterly i thought you guys were talking about the one on BBC1 a few nights back thursday i think :)

[crashlock]

that was one cool game (Y) well freedom fighters

Yeh I loved it (Y) (Y) (Y) Still waiting for it to be backwards compatiable :'(

[damien©]

Crashlock are you going to reply to my PM or not!

Tell me what your on about?

[derekm91]

I think you change this part of your post, not many muslims think this was good. When you put it that way you go against milions of people.

The people behind say they are muslims but they don't, islam goes against all this.

the hell with muslims. what have they ever done that was in any way useful?

[damien©]

the hell with muslims. what have they ever done that was in any way useful?

Thats a ridicolus comment to make... Muslims have played a vital role in World Discovery. While Christains in Europe were living by the Bible and not asking any questions around them. Muslims in the Middle East and Asia were learning the complete opposite.

Just because they haven't played vitally lately enough for you to be informed about in School.

Western World didn't invent and discover everything.

[derekm91]

I think we should stop the War on Terrorism, and play by the rules.

9/11 opened alot of issues. However I fail to see how bombing the hell out of two countries is going to stop this. US and Israeli Involvement can not be ignored in this. Even Donald Rumsfield was quoted prior to 9/11 saying we need a Modern-Day Pearl Harbour.

Okay, I don't care how much you know about politics but you are not American. 9/11 was on of the worst things terrorists could have done to our country. Imagine sitting in your 5th grade class and your teacher tells you what happened. Bombing them is the only thing they understand. Terrorists arn't going to stop at 9/11. They will keep going, that is why they need to be stopped no matter what the price. It's a shame that America is the only one that has the balls to deploy troops. Oh and, "Pearl Harbour" is spelled Pearl Harbor in American English (Hawaii is in America). You will just never understand, because your a Liberal.

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"Play by the rules"? What rule book are you looking at? They killed thousands of innocent Americans on 9/11.

[derekm91]

Thats a ridicolus comment to make... Muslims have played a vital role in World Discovery. While Christains in Europe were living by the Bible and not asking any questions around them. Muslims in the Middle East and Asia were learning the complete opposite.

Just because they haven't played vitally lately enough for you to be informed about in School.

Western World didn't invent and discover everything.

World discovery... Wow... I road a camel 200 miles, what an achievement. Name one thing they invented.

[damien©]

You will just never understand, because your a Liberal.

No America will never understand the World until they stop thinking they were the first country to live with Terrorism.

THe United Kingdom has been "fighting" with Northern Irish Terrorists since the 70's but in the end what did they have to do? They had to sit down at the table and discuss the problems and come up with Solutions.

How about been told as a Kid that your grandfather was put up against a wall and to be shot in front of his pregant wife. Or for peoplle to be dragged out of there Homes and the plaaces to be ripped apart, Privacy didn't count for nothing. Your rights? Your right to shut the **** up was the main one.

Beening interned for years without even knowing what you have been charged with.

I'm a liberal in a way but I have a slightly different view to most, People should be rehabilatated then Punished.

[damien©]

World discovery... Wow... I road a camel 200 miles, what an achievement. Name one thing they invented.

Never said they invented anything. They discovered mainly how alot of the natural world worked such as the clouds and the sky,etc

[derekm91]

No America will never understand the World until they stop thinking they were the first country to live with Terrorism.

THe United Kingdom has been "fighting" with Northern Irish Terrorists since the 70's but in the end what did they have to do? They had to sit down at the table and discuss the problems and come up with Solutions.

How about been told as a Kid that your grandfather was put up against a wall and to be shot in front of his pregant wife. Or for peoplle to be dragged out of there Homes and the plaaces to be ripped apart, Privacy didn't count for nothing. Your rights? Your right to shut the **** up was the main one.

Beening interned for years without even knowing what you have been charged with.

I'm a liberal in a way but I have a slightly different view to most, People should be rehabilatated then Punished.

The reason we are not using politics is because they are TERRORISTS! Ever hear, "We dont negoiciate with terrorists"? Oh and the whole grandpa thing happens everyday.

[derekm91]

Never said they invented anything. They discovered mainly how alot of the natural world worked such as the clouds and the sky,etc

I am not entirely saying all muslims are bad (like in the old days), but all of the new muslim radicals are useless.

[damien©]

The reason we are not using politics is because they are TERRORISTS! Ever hear, "We dont negoiciate with terrorists"? Oh and the whole grandpa thing happens everyday.

So your Government everyday puts someones Grandfather up against the wall to be shot? The US is sounding better every day.

Oh yea and the "We don't negociate with Terrorists" is getting you quite far. How many Citizens and Armed Forces Members have died since 9/11?

Oh thats right it's working very well for you

[damien©]

I am not entirely saying all muslims are bad (like in the old days), but all of the new muslim radicals are useless.

Compared to the Christain Radicals who are helping to hape a better tomorrow?

[derekm91]

ok im not staying up all night for this but to clarify things for you:
1) I wasnt talking about our gov. killing people.
2) When your in the military and you get deployed, your job is to do what is neccessary. Talk to an American soilder. I garuntee every last one that has been overseas agrees with what President Bush is doing. All you do is rely on the media. And the media is liberal my friend.

[phatmuther]

this is why political threads and the like should just not happen here.
c'mon lads just drop it, we all have different opinions, we are all raised different, with different views and a few posts isnt gonna change the way we feel.

[derekm91]

Compared to the Christain Radicals who are helping to hape a better tomorrow?

Funny I thought this topic was on 9/11 and I don't think Christians caused that. You are going so far off topic because you know nothing about 9/11 or the "War on Terror" except what the media tells you.

[derekm91]

BACK OF PHAT!!!
Just kidding I agree. I'm just defending what I believe.

[damien©]

What is neccesary? Talk to American Solider? Liberal Media?

I'm glad I dont have your views...Soliders are not men there puppets they do what they are told. Liberal Media is pointless when you get most of the news from as Independant as you can get News Company [BBC]

Like Phatmuther points out theres no way we will be able to discuss this as we have totally different views. So i'll drop it now.

[damien©]

Funny I thought this topic was on 9/11 and I don't think Christians caused that. You are going so far off topic because you know nothing about 9/11 or the "War on Terror" except what the media tells you.

Well because you say you only have a problem with Muslim Radicals they never did anything good. Then I compared them to Christain Radicals who have done nothing.

My point Religion has no bearing on the War on Terrorism. They represent the Muslim view as much as the KKK represent the Christain View

[Blaze Lord]

And the media is liberal my friend.

Derek, I thought I told you before to stop watching Fox News and read.

Your assignment, should you choose to accept being a more informed and valuable member of our democracy, is to read something by David Brock.

Although.. Since I have a feeling you're a little homophobic, you probably won't. Even if the man was with the Heritage Foundation and the American Spectator- two organizations a rightie such as yourself must at least know of.

At the very least, I'd like you all to do some browsing at http://www.mediamatters.org/

[crashlock]

It's a shame that America is the only one that has the balls to deploy troops.

WTF are you talking about!! The UK deployed troops out in Afagnistan and Iraq!! :@ I think you should apologize!!

"The total number of UK troops killed while on operations in Afghanistan since 2001 now stands at 40." the BBC - 6 September 2006.

http://www.icasualties.org/oif/default.aspx
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5128276.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5321736.stm
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/09/02/afghan.plane.ap/index.html

[bingo83]

9/11 was the catalsyst the Govt need to attack Afganistan and Iraq.

Having watched a large number of documentaries on the subject I think there are still so many unanswered questions that the public need answers to.

Anyone with a bit of time on their hands should watch

Loose Change 2 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7218920724339766288)
American Scholars Symposium on 9/11 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4258946892514662399)
Terrorstorm (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3710767957407328313)
Martial Law 9/11 : Rise of the Police State (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6495462761605341661)

Our governments are hiding the truth so they can invade countries with large amounts of Oil resources.

The Israeli attack on Lebabanon was to get a further foothold in the Middle East so that they can attack Iran and Syria.

[Blaze Lord]

Close. America never wanted to attack Afganistan. And, we aren't getting that much oil out of Iraq. And, neither America nor Israel needs a foothold to attack Iran nor Syria. We have long range capability.

[WACCOE]

the only documentary i've ever seen about this is the one the 2 french guys made following the rookie firefighter and getting inside the buildings etc :)

Ah yeah!

I saw that one to, one a Saturday night a couple of weeks back.

Man, some of the footage was shocking, absolutely shocking.

I couldn't believe it when that 2nd plane hit.

:(

[WACCOE]

It's a shame that America is the only one that has the balls to deploy troops.
Seriously, you are a ing idiot. An absolute tool.

Do you know how many English troops have died in Iraq and Afganistan?

You're ing nut job.

[damien©]

Seriously, you are a ing idiot. An absolute tool.

Do you know how many English troops have died in Iraq and Afganistan?

You're ing nut job.

British Troops [England doesn't have an Army]

[tom91]

yeah and the fact that the americans actaully killed some english troops.

[phatmuther]

"The total number of UK troops killed while on operations in Afghanistan since 2001 now stands at 40." the BBC - 6 September 2006.

um lets be honest here, its a war, people are expected to die, i dont see why everyone is crying over 40 people, that is very good amount

[crashlock]

yeah and the fact that the americans actaully killed some english troops.

The US government called it "friendly fire".. Ha, more like meat-head ignorant US troops shooting anything that didn't have a star spangled banner on it.(N) They probably thought the same as derekm91, that they were the only ones fighting.

[Raisedbyflames]

some people are stupid and voice opions that have been given to them by others grow up get educated and shut up

[crashlock]

um lets be honest here, its a war, people are expected to die, i dont see why everyone is crying over 40 people, that is very good amount

Phat I was providing proof to derekm91 that the UK had troops deployed. That's all.(Y)

[Raisedbyflames]

some people are stupid and voice opinions that have been given to them by others they are dumb grow up shut up and have some respect

[damien©]

The US government called it "friendly fire".. Ha, more like meat-head ignorant US troops shooting anything that didn't have a star spangled banner on it.(N) They probably thought the same as derekm91, that they were the only ones fighting.

derekm91 doesn't represent the view of Americans or the US government.

[shanemaester]

um lets be honest here, its a war, people are expected to die, i dont see why everyone is crying over 40 people, that is very good amount

good point they enlisted as soldiers who when sent to fight must expect that there's a chance they could die. though im sure it's more than 40?

if not then thats not bad at all obviously no fatalities would be best but for the time spent there their not doing too badly :)

[crashlock]

some people are stupid and voice opions that have been given to them by others grow up get educated and shut up

Who are you talking to?

[Raisedbyflames]

mainly derek91

[backin-strachan]

The documentary I seen on Thursday I think, showed that most of the buildings interior was made of poly something that you could put your hand through with a bit of force. The centre of the tower as well, it wasnt necessarily poorly constructed but it could have been better.

In that sense, stupid question really, but do you think the terrorists knew the buildings were going to collapse???

[derekm91]

derekm91 doesn't represent the view of Americans or the US government.
yeah, well im representing my view as an american. but your right im sure you represent the UK.

[derekm91]

What is neccesary? Talk to American Solider? Liberal Media?

I'm glad I dont have your views...Soliders are not men there puppets they do what they are told. Liberal Media is pointless when you get most of the news from as Independant as you can get News Company [BBC]

Like Phatmuther points out theres no way we will be able to discuss this as we have totally different views. So i'll drop it now.
that is a ridiculas comment to make.

[bingo83]

There are far too many theories regarding the Twin Towers. There was more money spent on investigating Bill Clinton get a BJ then there was spent on the investigation of the twin towers collapse.

The US Government also wasted no time in getting the steel work removed and disposed of, with no official tests done on the steelwork at all. Info Here (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html)

Some leading US Engineers have found pieces of steel from the Twin Towers which show that there was large amounts of industrial explosives (thermite) used. You also have to look at further evidence which shows that no Metal Structure building has ever been demolished by fire, yet we have three on the same day (The Twin Towers and WTC 7). Info Here (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/cutter.html)

What where they trying to cover up?

Why did the US Govt say that the air around the WTC site was safe to breath, when it was actually loaded with toxins and other residue. Info Here (http://rawstory.com/comments/19333.html)

What crashed into the Pentagon?

Did the US Govt shoot down United 93?

We have not had conclusive proof from either the Government or the people proposing that this is all a conspiracy.

Keep an open mind and look into it for yourself and you will see some stunning discrepancies in the Governments description of events and what actually happened.

[derekm91]

There are far too many theories regarding the Twin Towers. There was more money spent on investigating Bill Clinton get a BJ then there was spent on the investigation of the twin towers collapse.

The US Government also wasted no time in getting the steel work removed and disposed of, with no official tests done on the steelwork at all. Info Here (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html)

Some leading US Engineers have found pieces of steel from the Twin Towers which show that there was large amounts of industrial explosives (thermite) used. You also have to look at further evidence which shows that no Metal Structure building has ever been demolished by fire, yet we have three on the same day (The Twin Towers and WTC 7). Info Here (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/cutter.html)

What where they trying to cover up?

Why did the US Govt say that the air around the WTC site was safe to breath, when it was actually loaded with toxins and other residue. Info Here (http://rawstory.com/comments/19333.html)

What crashed into the Pentagon?

Did the US Govt shoot down United 93?

We have not had conclusive proof from either the Government or the people proposing that this is all a conspiracy.

Keep an open mind and look into it for yourself and you will see some stunning discrepancies in the Governments description of events and what actually happened.

Good point about shooting down united 93. I know we didnt but a lot of people say we should have. now that we know what happened its easy to think that but at the time we had no idea of where they were going. There could be some kind of conspiracy behind this but the bottom line is the only people resposible for this is terrorists.

And Big D, I had fun expressing our different views. My view was as an American Republican, and I assume you took more of a Liberal point of view. I think we need to drop the discussion now before it gets out of hand.

[phatmuther]

There are far too many theories regarding the Twin Towers. There was more money spent on investigating Bill Clinton get a BJ then there was spent on the investigation of the twin towers collapse.

The US Government also wasted no time in getting the steel work removed and disposed of, with no official tests done on the steelwork at all. Info Here (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html)

Some leading US Engineers have found pieces of steel from the Twin Towers which show that there was large amounts of industrial explosives (thermite) used. You also have to look at further evidence which shows that no Metal Structure building has ever been demolished by fire, yet we have three on the same day (The Twin Towers and WTC 7). Info Here (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/cutter.html)

What where they trying to cover up?

Why did the US Govt say that the air around the WTC site was safe to breath, when it was actually loaded with toxins and other residue. Info Here (http://rawstory.com/comments/19333.html)

What crashed into the Pentagon?

Did the US Govt shoot down United 93?

We have not had conclusive proof from either the Government or the people proposing that this is all a conspiracy.

Keep an open mind and look into it for yourself and you will see some stunning discrepancies in the Governments description of events and what actually happened.

nothing! it was a freaking missile, why cant they just admit that?

[bingo83]

nothing! it was a freaking missile, why cant they just admit that?

If it was a missile

Who fired it?
Why did they fire it?
Why did the US Govt say it was a Hijacked Jet?
What then happened to the hijacked jet that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon?

If you look into all of the 9/11 events there are more and more unanswered questions.

[phatmuther]

If it was a missile

Who fired it? the same people who hijacked the planes (well not the exact same people, they'd be on the planes ;))
Why did they fire it? to blow up the pentagon
Why did the US Govt say it was a Hijacked Jet? exactly, thats what i would like to knowWhat then happened to the hijacked jet that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon? they probably shot it down

If you look into all of the 9/11 events there are more and more unanswered questions.

yep lots and lots of unable to answer questions, that 9/11 in a nut shell

[TBS Trojan]

WOW this topic got hot! im surprised it didnt get closed. i do think the media is liberal, just because i think i watch the news a lot and all they do is talk about bad things. Why? im sure there are plenty of good things going on in iraq. also the meat-head american killing english people comment was very out of line. mistakes happen, some cost lives. i believe that you shouldnt join any branch of the military unless you are willing to do you're duty, and potentially die for it. MY cousin was in Iraq for 2 years and listening to him really made me think. His marine unit was the one that toppled that statue of saddam, but anyway the one thing he said to me that meant the most was that everyone is going to die. Why not go down fighting. i know that's easier said than done, but i think it makes sense.

[Jenova]

Well our troops are over there and have hardly any supplies.

Its not exactly a war on terror in afganistan its just a black gold mine.:|

Terrorists are just **** theyd kill there own

[TBS Trojan]

[QUOTE

Terrorists are just **** theyd kill there own[/QUOTE]

true that is sick.

[derekm91]

what missle are you talking about bingo and phat?

[damien©]

what missle are you talking about bingo and phat?

Well it's often been commented that the object that hit the Pentagon was too small to be a Commercial Jet considering the Wing Span of the Plane is nearly twice as long as the hole left. Also the debris at the scene was minimal, if a passenger jet hit the Pentagon at full force it would of created a bigger hole and would of left debris over a larger mass of area.

Also the person flying the jet would of had to be a very experienced pilot as none of the grass was dug up by the landing. Also considering it was told that the hijackers were not taught how to land it's very suspicous.

Put that all on top of each other and you think that it wasn't actually a Plane that hit it at all it was a Missle or maybe a small milarty Drone Aircraft.

So then you think what happened to the planes, well the planes lost contact with control tower, Governement wise this wouldn't be hard to do as you would know the in's and out's. So it could of crash landed in the middle of the pacific and no one would of swore it.

Sorry for the long explanation just fealt it should be mentioned

[bingo83]

US Govt claims that the wreckage of the Jet and passenger bodies burnt up on impact with the Pentagon, yet you can clearly see undamaged books, furniture etc.

More Info Here (http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/pentagon.swf)

[phatmuther]

and there was like 4 frames from a CCTV camera just accross from the pentagon showing what flew past and "crashed" and it certainly aint no plane. it looked short thing roundish, almost tube like hmmm i wonder what that couldve been.....

[Steve]

911 was the scariest day of my life. This is when I live in Manhattan and I was 12. I was a baby. Imagine seeing your uncle dieing infront of you at such a fertile age. That was me.

Anyways, lets not get into that. I'm going to the WTC7 ceremony tomorrow in tribute to all those souls who died and pray for my uncle once again.

[Steve]

Phatmuther, it wasn't a missle. I need to show this to you now....

http://911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html

Also missles lay gas lines in the air. None was seen. Missles also don't have engines in them, engines were found at the pentagon. Both we found, both were inspected, both matched a 757's inner engine.

[backin-strachan]

I seen footage from the pentagon and the plane just sort of hit it. It was poor footage as it was from a sort of webcam in the security cubicle but it showed you one frame and it defietely was a plane.

BBC 2 8:30pm tonight

Please watch this:)


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