Moral Choices?

[damien©]

Now we all know what's right and what's wrong, whether it's down to religion or up-bringing or both.

My question refers to of the growing dislike of big coporations making alot of money, using that to justify copyright protection. So would it be morally acceptable to download songs illegally and then contribute to maybe a charity to re-write that wrong?

This is about morals and where you stand rather than what's legal or not?

Mods feel free to delete but it's a question that needs to be asked to frequent internet users.

[backin-strachan]

Eh I am not too sure about downloading music. Obviously its wrong because the music isnt the downloaders but I think it would be unfair to prosecute a handful of people they would have to fine the whole shabang - everybody.

[WACCOE]

I don't geddit. What's the question, exactly?

[damien©]

I don't geddit. What's the question, exactly?

Basicall is it alright Morally to download Music, Films and Games beating Copyright Protection if someones then contributes that said money elsewhere?

Or is it Morally Acceptable to just download music without contributing anything elsewhere?

It's not a legal question, it's about your morals?

[Blaze Lord]

Oh, oh, using that to justify circumventing copyrights. I gotcha.

Wellllll.. See, here's the thing. It's not a 'growing' dislike. We're simply returning to the robber baron days of yore, and the dislike is returning as well.

And, I'm not sure it's 'obviously' wrong. If someone burned a mix cd, and gave it to you, is that wrong?

[damien©]

See I don't think it is, I think it's more to do with no feeding the rich.

If yo asked anyone is it alright to Rob someones house, they would tell you straight away that's wrong. Hwever yu don't get the same response from Downloading Files Illegally... Why?

Why has it become not so much of a moral issue to download music but bot say steala CD from store or soeons house?

[Blaze Lord]

Because if you steal a CD from someone's house, they don't have the CD anymore. I download something from Bobby321, he still has his copy of Joy Division.

[mjmaskrey]

I see what you're saying...a modern day Robin Hood...robbing from the rich but (supposedly) justifying it by giving to the poor. Hmmmm.

I don't buy it....people will rob the goods, using the above as their justififcation, but not give anything to the poor...when it comes down to it people just don't want to part with their cash if they can help it.

I do some downloading....I don't feel I have to lie about giving to the poor to ease my conscience or justify it to others.

Just stop the means of getting things for free then I'll have no choice but to buy it.

People also use the 'big faceless corporations' line...they won't miss it....but they do..and when they do it's the regular joe's who end up losing their jobs...not the fat cat's up at the top.

:)

[damien©]

I personally think it comes down to the fact that people dislike big coporations and the fact that people think they deserve everything but can't afford it. So why not save money on getting somethings free and paying for thers that you can't get free.

Also I think it's not the same as Stealing as Blaze Lord pointed out.

[Blaze Lord]

Well, I don't know where this donating to charity angle came from. I certainly don't feel a stain on my soul that I need to compensate for.

[damien©]

Well, I don't know where this donating to charity angle came from. I certainly don't feel a stain on my soul that I need to compensate for.

That was just presenting an idea, can you right a wrong?

I was just putting forward an idea for all people that go with the "fat cats" line.

[Raisedbyflames]

i wont buy music they used to charge stupid money for cds and for that reason screw them

[WACCOE]

Or is it Morally Acceptable to just download music without contributing anything elsewhere?


Yes.

Of course. Who cares?

Edit:- To expand more. Tbh, they over-carge massively for CD's in shops, why anybody would want to pay these prices is beyond me if you have access to the net - whats the point when you can acquire it for free. I dont feel I need to give anything back to anyone. These guy's are getting to much money for shouting down a mic as it is.

[Blaze Lord]

These guy's are getting to much money for shouting down a mic as it is. Agreed with you up 'till here. You're wrong, most artists make very, very little on CDs.

[gashead]

I must be one of the few people around these days that actually pays for their music. Why? Well put it this way. I make around £280 a month working two days a week. One song from Napster costs 79p. I don't tend to download much music, usually no more than about 5 songs a month, so I don't usually give these "big faceless coporations" more than about £5 every month, it's not a lot is it?

[Blaze Lord]

No, but it's not a lot of music. In the last 10 days I've gotten 250 songs.

[linkofhyrule]

I must be one of the few people around these days that actually pays for their music. Why? Well put it this way. I make around £280 a month working two days a week. One song from Napster costs 79p. I don't tend to download much music, usually no more than about 5 songs a month, so I don't usually give these "big faceless coporations" more than about £5 every month, it's not a lot is it?
Make that two, Scott. I had this wild spree where I downloaded about 300 songs off of (name removed), and I really wish I hadn't now.

a) They are lower quality
b) Something feels wrong about not paying the artists if I like the song they made enough to download it

So now, I use iTunes.

Oh wait, no I don't, because using iTunes is the reason I started downloading from (name removed)! They don't let you use them on things such as 360s, which really, really, annoys me since I paid for it and therefore I own it.

So now I rip off the companies in a different way. Columbia House. You buy 1 CD and get 11 more, all free, and it's not a scam, I've used it a few years ago. Right now that is my only way of getting music aside from the few singles I may get off of iTunes.

I also like having full CDs because of the way the iPods work, if you only have one song from an artist you listen to it then you have to navigate back through the menus and find another song you want. Really gets me off at Apple.

[Blaze Lord]

I also like having full CDs because of the way the iPods work, if you only have one song from an artist you listen to it then you have to navigate back through the menus and find another song you want. Really gets me off at Apple.

Use an on the go playlist or browse by songs or turn repeat on.

And, check out allofmp3.com. Nine cents a song. Money goes to the copyright owner. No DRM.

[Kalou]

Requested by the FBI. :brow:

[Dcontrol]

Right to keep this thread open please refrain from mentioning sites where music or anything else can be downloaded illegally and without the need to pay for it. Saves me the trouble of editing your posts too. :)

[damien©]

AllofMp3.com is an illegal site by the BPI. However theres an Amenesty anyone using AllofMp3.com will not be prosecuted. How long that lasts or if it's still in effect I don't know.

Apparently AllofMp3.com haven't been applying the right Cop[yright Protection payments or something. I don't know it was on the news before.

[WACCOE]

If it's illegal, you cannot mention it.

Soz.

[damien©]

If it's illegal, you cannot mention it.

Soz.

I was only clarifiying after someone else mentioned it and DControl passed by it.

[Blaze Lord]

It's legal in its country of origin, and international law is grey because almost no international law has been written ever. It is not a site to download music for free. The RIAA and similar agencies are making a big to do because the money doesn't necessarily go to the label and the sites do not force cumbersome DRM. The "Amnesty" is a transparent ploy, similar to saying "We're the brand of milk that doesn't give infants cancer." This implies another brand of milk -could- give babies cancer, and the "amnesty" implies that you -could- be prosecuted. Neither are true.

Placating to their draconian wishes by not talking about a legal paysite is an act of spinelessness. This forum is made to share and spread information and knowledge. Let's not shirk that task because some faceless suits might possibly take issue with it.

[carocat]

I download music legally from iTunes. Why? I don't downlad much (maybe 2 albums a month) and I constantly get iTunes vouchers from my family for bithdays, etc. Otherwise I still like going into town and buying actual CD's.

Just to bring another question into the debate: What about my friends sending me songs over msn? Is that as bad as downloading songs from the net? Or even worse?

[Kalou]

Just the same, I don't get why we can't talk about it though, fair enough if someone said, look at this site it has 60000 albums to download! and posted a link, but saying we download songs is illegal?

So if I said I battered a ned that would be illegal too?

[Blaze Lord]

Nah, caro, that's fine. It'd be the same as them making you a mixtape. That most people on sharing networks don't personally know each other is the main argument against stating precedent. But since you know your friends, you're way in the clear.

And, yeah, I used to spend my iTunes gift cards too. Now I just regift 'em. I feel too guilty explaining to my relatives why I actually hate the music store.

[Dcontrol]

Just the same, I don't get why we can't talk about it though, fair enough if someone said, look at this site it has 60000 albums to download! and posted a link, but saying we download songs is illegal?

So if I said I battered a ned that would be illegal too?

You can download whatever you want just don't mention what you are downloading and where you got it from. As I told you in the pm there are links still left on the thread as they are legal sites (that I know of at least) where you have to pay to get music. Mentioning sites where you can get music downloaded from illegally will not be tolerated on the forum. At the end of the day it is a form of music piracy like it or not.

[Bigcon100]

come on, every1 uses limewire if htey got any sense

da big corp / charity thing???

STEAL FROM THE RICH - GIVE 2 DA POOR/NEEDY/THOSE WORTHY OF CHARITY!!

[Bigcon100]

its defo alright

[Blaze Lord]

You don't need to double post. If you want to add a sentence, just hit the edit button. Double posting is really only considered kosher if a few hours have gone by, and even then it's iffy- days are preferrable.