Zune oh dear

[crashlock]

The Zune looked alright until I saw this (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1993). It's massive!(:/)

I think I'll get Nano or an iPhone.(Y)

[Blaze Lord]

Seems to be the same footprint as a full size iPod, just a bit thicker. Considering all the wireless back and forth it's capable of doing and the inclusion of an FM tuner, I think I'm fine with more thickness.

So, yeah, it's way bigger than the Nano, but it'd be unfair to expect otherwise.

[linkofhyrule]

I don't care about the Zune very much, iPod did the cool mp3 players first. Already have a 5G Video iPod, will only get a new one if they make one with a big screen which I hope they will (Y)

[brum]

i prefer my nano lol not going out an wasting my money on anything else!

[Blaze Lord]

I couldn't live with something as small as a Nano.

[Superbean]

I t looks about the same size as the original IPOD. Not that big but probably heavy.

[Killer 57]

Looks cool, I'm already saving up for one. :cool:

[Tobes]

Same here killer. What do you expect from a 30GB player with built in wifi and a 3" screen? Besides I bought my mum a nano and it's way to small.

[WACCOE]

My Mum want's a Nano.

Will you buy her one? Seen as you're loaded now.

:D

[Tobes]

Me and Dad bought it together. This was back in January so dont think I'm loaded. I have to borrow money from mum to pay for the bus to work.

[phatmuther]

just to let you know, the Wheel on it isnt a scroll wheel like the ipod, its just a click one. e.g to go up you have to click up

[Killer 57]

Yeah I figured, Since Apple has a Patent on it.

[Blaze Lord]

Unfortunately, I can see this going bad for MS. I mean, it's biggest claim to fame is how it interacts with other Zunes, but that's a vicious cycle right there.

[phatmuther]

the problem is the ipod, its the same with the Playstation, its a brand name thing, people will buy the playstation because they know it and its popular. Same with the iPod, but the thing with the ipod is that its not as good as other mp3 players, other devices have loads more packed in their tiny boxes, its the name that sells it. And thats why the Zune will probably fail

[Blaze Lord]

It's not the name. It's mainstream. Mainstream and blind brand loyalty are not the same thing.

[phatmuther]

so you dont think the name iPod has been burnt into everyone's mind as the best mp3 player about? i do.
saying that, i love my ipod :D

[just Jam Man]

W00t roll on ZUNE! I think it looks nice!

[damien©]

The problem is that Microsoft is constantly playing catch-up in alot of areas, it would do itself some good if it was willing to the jump before it's competitors do.

It's always 10 Steps behind, but I still plan on getting it as my iPod broke.

[toxik]

well im keeping my nano, but my next mp3 player will definet. be something other than apple.

[just Jam Man]

The problem is that Microsoft is constantly playing catch-up in alot of areas, it would do itself some good if it was willing to the jump before it's competitors do.

It's always 10 Steps behind, but I still plan on getting it as my iPod broke.
Well you cant say that in the PC software area! It owns everbody at that! Butr yeah i agree i think it wouldnt do MS any bad to maybe just go out on a limb on a totally new product! Coz with their money they could make it work!

[Blaze Lord]

so you dont think the name iPod has been burnt into everyone's mind as the best mp3 player about? i do.
saying that, i love my ipod :D

But there's a reason for that. Its lack of features is part of its appeal. It has enough features to please everyone, namely the beautifully simplistic scroll wheel, with less features to offend- namely paying for features most people don't want.

[phatmuther]

But there's a reason for that. Its lack of features is part of its appeal. It has enough features to please everyone, namely the beautifully simplistic scroll wheel, with less features to offend- namely paying for features most people don't want.

but thats the thing, most of the other mp3 players offer more, for a lower price.
i wouldnt be put off the ipod if it had Better battery and an FM radio

[damien©]

Alot of the iPod appeal is to it's simplistic and attractive design, add that on top to the way in whichit advertises it's products.

If Microsoft product is to work they have to make the new features simplistic and mak sure it's very easy to use then the Product will sell itself.

Especailly if it could play multiple Audio and Video Fomats and stop the annoying conversion crap. However Idon't see it allowing Protected AAC Cntent on there Music Player.

[Blaze Lord]

but thats the thing, most of the other mp3 players offer more, for a lower price.
i wouldnt be put off the ipod if it had Better battery and an FM radio

No, I was thinking more of storage space. The most popular iPods are the lower capacity ones.

The other mp3 players may offer more functions, but they don't offer more functionality. The wheel wins, and it's gonna be hard for anyone else to reinvent it.

[phatmuther]

The wheel wins, and it's gonna be hard for anyone else to reinvent it.

amen to that

[Blaze Lord]

The truth is, I was only gonna consider getting a Zune if it could do something like.. stream video to the 360..? :) Or some other crazy 360 integration. Until that day, I'll stick with my iPod.

[phatmuther]

im pretty sure youll be able to stream music and pictures, but video.. hmmm i doubt it, considering you cant even do it without WMC PC. It'd be a selling point if it could though

[linkofhyrule]

the problem is the ipod, its the same with the Playstation, its a brand name thing, people will buy the playstation because they know it and its popular. Same with the iPod, but the thing with the ipod is that its not as good as other mp3 players, other devices have loads more packed in their tiny boxes, its the name that sells it. And thats why the Zune will probably fail
No, actually, I think the reason it wins is because iTunes is so huge and you can only use the stuff from there on iPods, which pretty much makes Apple geniuses for coming up with that and making it so popular.

And the fact that iPods are just so sleek and easy-to-use.

I still wish they would add an FM Radio, though.

[damien©]

The iPod accounts for more than 50% of digital music players sold while iTunes, Apple's digital music store, has a 70% share of its market.

So 20% of the MArket are downloading Protected Songs that they can only play on their computer? or Burn to CDs?

[Blaze Lord]

Yeah, link, it's definitely not iTunes. iPod fuels the success of iTunes, not the other way around. I mean, the iPod was dominating the market before iTunes hit even 100,000 songs, let alone a million. No, it's the UI that wins it, and pretty much that alone.

And phat, you definitely won't be able to stream video from the Zune. So, no Zune for me. That's what I was saying.

[crashlock]

No, actually, I think the reason it wins is because iTunes is so huge and you can only use the stuff from there on iPods, which pretty much makes Apple geniuses for coming up with that and making it so popular.

And the fact that iPods are just so sleek and easy-to-use.

I still wish they would add an FM Radio, though.

FM radio for you iPod is here (http://www.apple.com/ipod/accessories.html) <link fixed:party:

Personally I'll admit I love Apple stuff. I switched from PC to Mac computers back in 2002 as i was fed up with the virus sh*t and it crashing all the time. Since then i can count the serious crashes of my 3 Apple computers on 1 hand since there Unix based and amazingly stable. And I have just forgotton about viruses as there aren't any for Macs. Well accept this little Trojen that required you to recieve this 1 picture then click it and then click install.. Haha fairly a no brainer to avoid there.
Every Apple product I've had has worked faultlessly. Not to mention the design of all my Apple hardware and software for that matter looks gorgeous.
Ever since 98 when Apple got back Steve Jobs to run the company. It's just gone out there and designed some beautiful stuff..
I know someone said people stick with brand names, but I feel happy to stick with Apple as i've been with them for 4 years, and I'm totally happy with the ethics/direction of the company and of course the products I have bought.

All that said I do find that I'm using my Walkman phone alot so when Apple get to releasing the iPhone at the end of this year or beginning of 2007 I will pull some moves and get one.

Zune looks bigger than the 5G to me. The wireless thing actually makes me think- Doesn't that feature depend on lots of people to have Zunes too? Anyway I don't want to be sharing music I like having my own stash.:cool:

Just to say...Apple are rubbsih with supporting games. But with Intel Macs now running Windows and OSX natively on the same computer people are now booting into Windoze to play games and booting back in OSX for computing. Me tho that's why I have a 360 :)

[Blaze Lord]

FM radio for you iPod is here (http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/6094041/wo/fk4QtEvlVV6E3rbEZiF14j8pSXz/1.PSLID?mco=1643B174&nplm=MA070) Bad link, the store's urls are session based. But it's still not built in.

Zune looks bigger than the 5G to me. The wireless thing actually makes me think- Doesn't that feature depend on lots of people to have Zunes too? Anyway I don't want to be sharing music I like having my own stash.:cool:
Yeah, that's what I meant by a viscious cycle. But sharing music would be a nice thing, if everyone did have Zunes. Maybe this will serve more to push Apple in that direction. Anyways, the sharing is pretty focused on straight streaming, so it'd be more like showing off your own stash than anything else.

I think the big thing will be seeing how well MS can handle a music store with this wireless Pyxis thing. Not that I can see myself buying songs in a whole new DRM format, but the idea of being able to download songs straight to your MP3 player when you're out and about and in a hotspot seems like a nice idea, if it's able to come to fruition in this stage. No mention in the FCC report that I found.