End Of The Line For Sony.

[mitchw01]

Is it just me or do you think that sony is at the end of its stranglehold over the console market. the PS3 is being sold at a ridiculous price and the company have released footage which they are not stating is in game or not.
Everyone i know is not going to buy one. At 410£ it is ridiculous. They are dragging out more of there franchises ie MGS4 And Killzone 2.... with no original ideas of there own they are stealing ideas off trhe other consoles eg the wii's motion sensitive moveability the 360's ring of light idea which is going to access sony's MARKETPLACE. The PS3 is Going to be the new Sega Saturn.

What do you lot think.

[D4VY]

I doubt it will sell, I would of been tempted but at that price its stupid.

[Headshot]

if micro soft bout the MGS seies and the socom seriees, sony woundnt sell a console in the west...

[Headshot]

*bought....

[Uriel Septim]

i agree dude, with the 360 got games like Gears of War and Prey, if sony keep just revamping older generation titles it will be pretty poor on there part, and the price is just rediculous. But i am sure they will bring some new titles out like the 360 has over time

[Headshot]

i reli would like mS to buy the socom series, one coz i love the game and 2 to put sony out of the consol war, i aint gunna happen, sony aint gunna lest MS buy their only decent online game..too bad reli

[mitchw01]

i think that the Wii will sell really well its backward compatability ideas are very intriguing. while sony as it seems is rehashing previous titles the psp is whimpering in the corner and the only original game i can see from the ps3 is Assasins creed ( which is sonys attempt at oblivion ) LOL. BYE BYE.

[mitchw01]

here is a list of games i have seen for the ps3 and psp:

PS3

metal gear solid 4
virtua fighter 5
gran turismo hd
assasins creed
final fantasy 13
splinter cell double agent
Turok....
killzone 2
motorstorm
coded arms assault
heavenly sword- similar to god of war!!!
Resistance-fall of man
mobile suit gundam
ridge racer 7

PSP

Killzone:liberation
metal gear solid portable ops
caesar 4
miami vice
rachet and clank size matters
Tekken
Gun-showdown



The list of franchises are endless and is it just me or are there alot of high numbers above.

[mjmaskrey]

You shouldn't have said it'll be the next Sega Saturn....I'll have to buy one now!

:)

[xXDuBzXx]

but it is so temptimg.....=\

[Headshot]

is assins creed out for both the xbox 360 and the ps3???

[Raide]

Atm Ubisoft have not confirmed or denied a 360 version.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151655

See what you think. Ubisoft love their multiformat stuff, so making a 360 version would net them more money in the end, instead of staying single format live many developers do.

[Raisedbyflames]

play.com are taking pre orders for a360 assains creed


as forthe ps3imnotbuying till its cheap or icanget it cheap 2ndhand, then ill buy all the good games i carnt get on the 360 which wont be many

[Blaze Lord]

Websites with preorders like that are often just careless errors, though.

Still, Sony has clearly started paying less priority to third-party exclusives. I'm betting it'll be a soft exclusive, like the GTA series. We'll probably get Creed 4-6 months after the PS3 does.

[backin-strachan]

Sony will sell PS3s no matter what because of the success of the PS2 but I would imagine a lot of the sales were down to the £100ish price wich took a couple of years to get down too.

[RiLu@]

The PS3 could never be the new saturn, the 360 can still be the new saturn.

[AK.]

i think even though its had real bad reviews i still thin it will sell incredibly well, seeing as everyone i talk to in my area loves sony like a mofo, i think it will out sell the X360 regardless

[Blaze Lord]

The PS3 could never be the new saturn, the 360 can still be the new saturn.

Mmm. The 360 is pretty much already past the Saturn hurdle. It could still be a Dreamcast, however. But the PS3 won't be a Saturn either. It -could- be an N64.

[Mez]

If you think the PS3 won't sell, you're kidding yourself. There will already be a good number of people who will buy the PS3 as a cheaper blu-ray player, the fan boys who would buy the PS3 even if it gave you aids, people who will buy it because they're not sure about the other consoles and people like myself who have bought a 360 but will also buy a PS3 as I do not feel the need to have an allegiance to a console or company.

[mjmaskrey]

the fan boys who would buy the PS3 even if it gave you aids

Lmao! that's a good one.

Of course it's going to sell...but not enough to increase their market share...that's going to decrease a lot I reckon.

:)

[Kubrick]

Microsoft has taken note of first-party exclusivity, and in-house development; Mario, Zelda, Samus and other games developed in-house have kept Nintendo afloat.

Sony haven't invested as much as Nintendo or Microsoft have in developing in-house games, or certainly haven't made as much games of note than the other two have.

It could prove to be Sony's downfall, because it's not the hardware that'll sell the console, it'll be the games, for me. Metal Gear Solid 4 is the only reason I would buy the PS3, and even then I'm prepared to wait for the price to drop.

[Raisedbyflames]

Microsoft has taken note of first-party exclusivity, and in-house development; Mario, Zelda, Samus and other games developed in-house have kept Nintendo afloat.

Sony haven't invested as much as Nintendo or Microsoft have in developing in-house games, or certainly haven't made as much games of note than the other two have.

It could prove to be Sony's downfall, because it's not the hardware that'll sell the console, it'll be the games, for me. Metal Gear Solid 4 is the only reason I would buy the PS3, and even then I'm prepared to wait for the price to drop.

exsactly right my friend, ill be wating for a pricedrop, ive heard the games are going to be dear as well

[backin-strachan]

Microsoft has taken note of first-party exclusivity, and in-house development; Mario, Zelda, Samus and other games developed in-house have kept Nintendo afloat.

Sony haven't invested as much as Nintendo or Microsoft have in developing in-house games, or certainly haven't made as much games of note than the other two have.

It could prove to be Sony's downfall, because it's not the hardware that'll sell the console, it'll be the games, for me. Metal Gear Solid 4 is the only reason I would buy the PS3, and even then I'm prepared to wait for the price to drop.
Yep my favourite Ninty games all being kept a float and invested in to keep the franchise going.

MS now get a joint launch date for GTA IV when it was expected it would be a launch exclusive for Sony. RARE have theri Magic titles with Banjo Kazooie and Conkers Bad Fur day.

At the end of the day its PS3 or MS and it will be the games who determine the "wiinner":D

Sorry...;)

[Achilles06]

Yeah I dunno, I was all up for buying one, Then I saw the price and just asked my self is it worth payin that much for lies from sony...and there marketplace isnt as good as Microsofts ( From E3 2006 )
I was all of E3 Live 2006 on Gamespot.com, and just heard all the lie's they would tell...I dunno i've never been a fan boy i've always bought all the console's but sony have gotten right on my , and i dont think im going to be spending my hard-earned cash with thier company.. But thats just me

and now that GTA is coming to 360 w00t

The only downside to what i've said is ... I dont want to get a Ps3..but i GOT to, Im a massive Metal Gear Solid fan and with MGS4 coming to the ps3, i gotta get that :)

[Mez]

Yep my favourite Ninty games all being kept a float and invested in to keep the franchise going.

MS now get a joint launch date for GTA IV when it was expected it would be a launch exclusive for Sony. RARE have theri Magic titles with Banjo Kazooie and Conkers Bad Fur day.

At the end of the day its PS3 or MS and it will be the games who determine the "wiinner":D

Sorry...;)

To be honest, I don't see it being the case of a winner or loser. Both consoles will sell millions of units so it's just the case of who sells more. But lets face it, if MS sell 10,000,000 and Sony sell 9,500,000, both companies are winners!

[Achilles06]

maybe so, but 500,000 more or less consoles is a lot of money to either company..

[Raisedbyflames]

Yeah I dunno, I was all up for buying one, Then I saw the price and just asked my self is it worth payin that much for lies from sony...and there marketplace isnt as good as Microsofts ( From E3 2006 )
I was all of E3 Live 2006 on Gamespot.com, and just heard all the lie's they would tell...I dunno i've never been a fan boy i've always bought all the console's but sony have gotten right on my , and i dont think im going to be spending my hard-earned cash with thier company.. But thats just me

and now that GTA is coming to 360 w00t

The only downside to what i've said is ... I dont want to get a Ps3..but i GOT to, Im a massive Metal Gear Solid fan and with MGS4 coming to the ps3, i gotta get that :)

im a metal gear solid fan and i aint played the 3rd one yet

[Mez]

maybe so, but 500,000 more or less consoles is a lot of money to either company..

Just looked at numbers for consoles sold and the PS2 has sold 100,000,000 apparantly and the xbox 41,000,000 units. If you compare the difference, 500,000 is nothing.

Point is, Microsoft have still done extremely will selling 41,000,000 units, yes it's more than half of the PS2 but if you consider the PS2 was out longer and dropped in price first (I think), then the figures maybe don't tell the whole truth. Still, 41,000,000 units sold does not make a console the next sega saturn and a 500,000 difference will never make a console the next sega saturn.

Nintendo on the other hand sold hardly any gamecubes in comparison to Microsoft and Sony and I thought they were going to go out of business but even they survived, showing that for a console to become the next Saturn it will need to almost not sell.

[martync06]

According to a magazine, assassins creed will be released on the 360.

[mjmaskrey]

Please...stop dissing the Saturn....it's a quality console...unless you're a mindless automaton gamer looking for flash graphics 'bangin' Choons' and nothing else.

:)

[crashlock]

OK

To start off with you can't call the PS3 the new Sega Saturn. I understand the link of both companies are and were huge. But the Saturn was the first 3D based console. It was released before the PSX and didn't steal ideas, rather it came up with a few. For example the NiGHTS Into Dreams pad was the first official analog pad. Which is what we all use today for console gaming.

To set the scene for Sony's PS3. Sony as a whole company is not what it used to be. Numbers from every other division apart from video games have been in serious decline over the past 4 years.
The video games division has been under pressure to merge with it's home electronics and film & media devisions. There answer was to come up with a next generation DVD format. Blue Ray. Which would cross and touch upon each of their divisions. They could produce movies and games and use the new format of Blue Ray as a carrier. They could also support this with making the PS3 an all in one home entertainment essential that would dove tale nicely into Sony HD TVs and music market. They have a grand plan here and Blue Ray is the center of it. There's two problems with Blue Ray. The first is the public accepting a new format for all of their media needs, in such a small space of time since the last widely accepted format was release (DVD). People have expressed little to no interest in dumping DVD for Blue Ray. And until they do, the price will be extremely high for the hardware and discs. Which is the second problem. The price. People don't mind technology moving forward if the price is right. Blue Ray is currently beyond an acceptable price for such a technology as a media format.

There are many things that float on the next level of PS3 success. Like the pad not rumbling, the pad motion sensing, the pad design, console reliability, advertising, online support, software support, software performance, software costs, and probably the biggest is console price! I have read somewhere - History tells us the first to sell 10 million units wins the war.

I believe that Sony and the PS3 will stand tall or fall depending on Blue Ray. If people decide to stick with their DVDs Sony will have a rough sea to sail.

[phatmuther]

I believe that Sony and the PS3 will stand tall or fall depending on Blue Ray. If people decide to stick with their DVDs Sony will have a rough sea to sail.
agreed, i think thats what will decide its success, could go either way

[Blaze Lord]

OK

To start off with you can't call the PS3 the new Sega Saturn. You might call it the next N64, though.. For example the NiGHTS Into Dreams pad was the first official analog pad. Which is what we all use today for console gaming. Actually, interestingly enough, the N64's launch beat the launch of NiGHTS by 12 days. Presumably, the controller for NiGHTS wouldn't have launched before then, so Nintendo can claim this honor. Besides the fact that Nintendo's analog controller was used in the whole library, if memory serves.

To set the scene for Sony's PS3. Sony as a whole company is not what it used to be. Numbers from every other division apart from video games have been in serious decline over the past 4 years.
The video games division has been under pressure to merge with it's home electronics and film & media devisions. There answer was to come up with a next generation DVD format. Blue Ray. I'm not sure I see the logic here. Sony would've pushed for BluRay even in an alternate universe with no PlayStation dynasty. Truthfully, I feel that Cell fits this description better. Most of the time a Sony exec talks about Cell, he mentions it's scaleability, how we'll someday see smaller Cells in phones and televisions and whatnot. Sony's big problem right now is that the Sony brand name isn't worth what it used to be in the Glory Days of Trinitron. Most of the market doesn't equate the Sony name with a reason to pay a high premium. Which is what Sony's going for in spades. If people learn to equate Cell with some sort of magical greatness enhancement, and then equate Sony with Cell, then they're back to being laid in the shade. There's two problems with Blue Ray. The first is the public accepting a new format for all of their media needs, in such a small space of time since the last widely accepted format was release (DVD). It's not only time, but noticeable difference. Most of the market understood the jump from VHS to DVD, because they had done the same with audio cassette to CD. Which is a direct parallel. They understood the concept of and the advantages to being able to jump tracks. Of the higher quality. Of being a little more concerned about scratches, of being careful with discs. If people hadn't already gone through that with CDs, the transition to DVDs would've been much worse. Blu-Ray discs don't have that luxury. It's more definition, that's the only advantage. So now you need to target people who understand what that means, then inside that group, people who already have a HD screen, and within that group, people who are willing to pay more than DVD prices.

[crashlock]

Actually, interestingly enough, the N64's launch beat the launch of NiGHTS by 12 days. Presumably, the controller for NiGHTS wouldn't have launched before then, so Nintendo can claim this honor. Besides the fact that Nintendo's analog controller was used in the whole library, if memory serves.

I stand corrected Blaze:geek: I just checked Wiki and your spot on.

But from my experience the N64 wasn't released in the UK untill March 1997.
And I had got NiGHTS when it came out in 96 so always thought it was out before the N64.:unsure:

As for Cell I completely agree that it's a main factor. And I should have mentioned it. But I personally just think Blue Ray is a bigger issue.(:/)

[TBS Trojan]

yea i was gonna think about buying one, till i saw the most outrageous price.

[Raisedbyflames]

they will defintly drop the price if it dont sell well, diddnt microsoft do that with the xbox it sold nowt till they dropped the price

[Blaze Lord]

Every console ever has had a price drop, raised.

[RiLu@]

Mmm. The 360 is pretty much already past the Saturn hurdle. It could still be a Dreamcast, however. But the PS3 won't be a Saturn either. It -could- be an N64.

you're right blaze i ment dreamcast, about the N64 i don't know much.

But the PS2 killed the dreamcast.

[Blaze Lord]

Well, the N64 had a lot of hype surrounding it.

At this time, the best arcade games looked way better than the best consoles could provide, and Nintendo was making a name for itself by saying some revolutionary new technology, seen in.. I dunno, Killer Instinct arcade, if memory serves, was going to make it into the N64. People raved. It didn't exactly turn out that way.

Techincally speaking, the N64 (aside from a ROM vs disc debate) was probably the most advanced system in its generation. But squeezing all that performance out of the console was something only a few developers could do. It also launched with a devastatingly low number of titles.

Media format debate. High-end, but hard to develop for hardware. Suspicious launch lineup.

Sound like a certain Sony system to anyone else?

[RiLu@]

When it's 2 months for release then we can see what really happens

[derekm91]

Is it just me or do you think that sony is at the end of its stranglehold over the console market. the PS3 is being sold at a ridiculous price and the company have released footage which they are not stating is in game or not.
Everyone i know is not going to buy one. At 410£ it is ridiculous. They are dragging out more of there franchises ie MGS4 And Killzone 2.... with no original ideas of there own they are stealing ideas off trhe other consoles eg the wii's motion sensitive moveability the 360's ring of light idea which is going to access sony's MARKETPLACE. The PS3 is Going to be the new Sega Saturn.

What do you lot think.

i dont think sony ever had a, "Stranglehold over the console market."

[Blaze Lord]

Well, then you should look at the numbers again. The two PlayStations dominated their gens.

[phatmuther]

i dont think sony ever had a, "Stranglehold over the console market."
ermm... where were you? :D

[backin-strachan]

Wouldnt say so muchthe PS1 but thePS2 ruled all consoles...at the time.:p

[Raide]

The PS2 did rule the console market. Good or bad thing? Good because it makes other console makers work harder...bad for the amount of rubbish that spews onto shelves for the PS2.

Quality of quantity everytime for me. As for end of the line for Sony...nah, they have too much money to throw at the Playstation brand. The PS3 will sell, maybe not as well as Sony is wishing but it will sell. The brand and the fact people will buy it for games that will be out in 1-2 years after the launch. How many will buy a PS3 for MGS4 and FF13? Good luck seeing FF13 on UK shores anytime soon! They have not even said when PS2 players are getting 12 yet let alone 13!

Saying that, I got my 360 for PGR3 and PD:Z because I am huge fan of both of them. Sure I knew a Halo game was coming and loads of other games but I got it for games I could play launch night, not to wait 6 months after launch to play something good.

Just get the damn launch over and done with, stop hyping it up and release it! I want to see games!!

[Blaze Lord]

Wouldnt say so muchthe PS1 but thePS2 ruled all consoles...at the time.:p

PS1, 102 million, 11 years
N64, 35 million, 8 years

PS dominated.

[crashlock]

Just get the damn launch over and done with, stop hyping it up and release it! I want to see games!!

Gonna be a wait then.lol

[martync06]

I read an article in a magazine and in that it stated that professionals have forecast that when the ps3 is released, the 360 will contine to out sell the
ps3.

I can't remember exactly what it said, but that was the gist of it. (Y)

[Blaze Lord]

The 360 will outsell the PS3 during the Christmas season, I reckon. Outside of Japan. Simply because Microsoft will have more available to purchase than the globally-launching PS3.

Feb to about.. June of 2007 the PS3 will start to outsell the 360. Then the 360 will probably take over again. Outside of Japan.

[Steve]

Bad blaze. The PS3 will outsell the 360. If there is more than a million or two available all of them will be sold out. The 360 will continue progressing but wont be outselling the PS3 as it launches.

[Killer 57]

Bad blaze. The PS3 will outsell the 360. If there is more than a million or two available all of them will be sold out. The 360 will continue progressing but wont be outselling the PS3 as it launches.

Pretty big If, and I mean big IF

[Steve]

If the PS3 doesn't have THAT many when they promised 6 million then damn Sony is pissing their pants.

[phatmuther]

i agree with steve the ps3 will out sell the 360 at xmas, even if there aint enough to go around, theyll wait until more come about and save they're money. its not like the can go and buy a 360, and then a ps3 pretty much straight after

[RiLu@]

Yeh but it will be some people that come to the shops to buy a PS3 and it's sold out then they take a 360 home because with saved money they have will beable to buy a console and a hand full of games for te sameprice.

[Blaze Lord]

The PS3, one month into a global launch, won't have as much in production as the 360, more than a year into a launch. MS can stock stores with more 360s than Sony can with PS3s. Xbox 360 outsells PS3. Bad Blaze these nuts.

Microsoft's promising 10 million. If they can't outproduce a just-launched PS3 with bad yields on Cell and BluRay drives, they are pissing their pants.