Diving

[backin-strachan]

No not swimming although thats where players go to practise, but diving in football. I think in this day and age there are far too many teams diving.

I cannot say it happens with British based players because if you are caught diving in SCOTLAND it is a straight RED and I havent seen too many English players diving but foriengers are a different matter.

Why cant they play the game properly.

Chelsea are the main reason I brought the topic up because I seen about 5 dilebrate dives in the one game. Drogba 3 Wright Philps and Del Horno. What a joke. It looks so stupid and I would feel so embarrassed if I was a Chelsea fan. Drogba got poked in the eye accidentlly but rolled around holding his knee as well. I think Jose Mourinho is to blame but I dont want to go into that.

Even Messi in the Champions League. Cant deny he is world class but why does he have to dive. He got a bad tackkle yeah, he rolls around which is understandable if he was hurt but when he sees the referee is taking action he is up and is fit as a fiddle.

Just wanted to know your opinions and how this form of cheating can be eradicated from our beautiful game.

[WACCOE]

It's wrong. But there's nothing that can be done about it, unfortunately.

Can I ask - how pathetic is Rob Styles? Sending Dystain off. Im sure not many of you like Rugby LEague, but im going to use that as an example - when a decision is made, the captiain will walk up to the ref, as been he leader of the team, and maybe ask why, if he's unsrue, and get on with the game. And if a players in trouble the ref will call the player over and the captain, and tell the cpatain to calm him down or he'll be off...so the captian has to take responsibility. This is all what Distain was doing, he should not have even been booked, never mind been booked twice.

Plus, he was right the 1st time, to have a go aobu Drogba's handball - the assistant ref should have deifnately seen that! Drogba's a dirty cheat.

Disgusted.

[backin-strachan]

There we go again. DROGBA!!!:@ He was interviewed at the weekend after their match and he was asked the question
"People say you dive reguarly. Do you believe this is true?"(Words to effect)
Drogba replied "Well its a part of my game that I have."

At least he admitted it but for the last question
"So during matches Didier you dive to win free kicks etc."
Drogba"No No I never dive"

Its a joke now whats happening?

Personally I think the player should get a few warnings and then if it persists they should just be banned from the game.

[bingo83]

Conning the Referee is wrong. I think TV evidence should be looked at after the game by a review panel and if you are deemed to be diving you get a yellow card. Managers will crack down on it if their top players become unavailable to them because of their diving exploits.

[bake15]

he even admited to the handball as well and chelski tried to make out that his english is not that good so he didn't know what he was saying :@

[AfroJoe]

Nah, I can see where he got mixed up with the diving comments.

I don't like him, but I'd like to hear us try to defend ourselves in front of the media in perfect French. :)

[WACCOE]

Conning the Referee is wrong. I think TV evidence should be looked at after the game by a review panel and if you are deemed to be diving you get a yellow card. Managers will crack down on it if their top players become unavailable to them because of their diving exploits.
Yep. That should have been implemented many a year ago. When diving really started to kick in. Players will just to do anything it takes to win a match nowadays it seems.

[Swish]

Like Backin said at the start, in the SPL its a straight red.

Same rule should apply in the EPL.

[Hanley]

Fourth official should have a screen to see all replays - won't take long to spot a diver / cheater.

[RiLu@]

In Italy teams train this!

They're all good in swimming too!

[II AWESOME II]

I agree why do people dive because there pussys or they just think they can get away wit it i say another straight RED and a 5 game suspention its very unsporting!

[backin-strachan]

This thread needs a bit of a revival.

Thierry Henry last night should have been disugusted with himself. He blatantly dived to con the referee and it worked. From the free kick they got they scored and it arguably sent Spain home.

From the BBC today
Henry denies diving against Spain

Henry fell to the ground after colliding with Carles Puyol
France striker Thierry Henry has denied cheating to win the free-kick which led to his side's second goal in their 3-1 World Cup victory over Spain.
Henry fell to the ground clutching his face after colliding with Carles Puyol.

Puyol insisted the referee had made the wrong decision, adding: "If anything it was a foul by Henry."

But Henry said: "Spain's left-back Mariano Perina was going to win the ball so I don't know why Puyol cut across me, but he did. I don't cheat."


Spain coach Luis Aragones agreed with Puyol, saying that the clash with Henry did not merit a free-kick.

"For me the referee (Italian Roberto Rosetti) blew for a non-existent foul for the second goal," said Aragones.

Thierry Henry, after the 2006 Champions League final
"As for the third goal, the game was practically over already when that went in."

It is not the first time Arsenal striker Henry has been involved in controversy with Barcelona star Puyol.

The striker was angry at the referee for not taking action over the rough treatment he received from Puyol in May's Champions League final in Paris, which Barcelona won 2-1.

After that match, Henry said: "Next time I'll learn to dive maybe, but I'm not a woman."

The game between Spain and France was level at 1-1 when Italian referee Roberto Rosetti gave a free-kick to France for the challenge by Puyol.

Zinedine Zidane's deep free-kick was deflected off the head of Xabi Alonso and found Patrick Vieira, whose header ended in the net via a deflection off Spain's Sergio Ramos.

Puyol said: "It hurts to lose this way, because I think we deserved more and we were playing a great game.

"But that's football. We now have to recover and think ahead to the next tournament."

Henry told BBC One's Match of the Day programme that the victory proved that France's team spirit was strong.

"I think we have got a lot of stick, but we have shown that we are a team," he said.

"Now, no matter what happens - you never know what can happen later on during the competition - we showed to our fans and to our people back in France that we are a team."

It makes me laugh he got a nudge in the chest, he immediately falls down and holds his face like he was shot.

RED CARD for him next time!!!

Thoughts???

[Swifty]

why the hell doesnt the FA bring in the video ref...it would make life so much easier god damn it

like make it so teams have 5 opportunities to contest a refrees decision.....

[WACCOE]

Because you can't go to the video referee for somethnig petty like a free-kick, it would just take too long.

However much I want to see, it just won't. It works brilliantly in Rugby and Cricket but for me it's a no-no in Football. :)

[phatmuther]

im all for the video ref in football (Y)

[Killer 57]

How bout Coaches Challenge like they have in the NFL? That would work.

[WACCOE]

I don't think it would, tbh.

[Killer 57]

Why not?...

[WACCOE]

Because it would just be gay - the coach cannot have authority over the Referee...from the Laws of Assoctiation Football 2005-2006:

The Authority of the Referee
"Each match is controlled by a referee who has full authority to enforce the Laws of the Game in connection with the match to which he has been appointed"

Decisions of the Referee
"The desicions of the referee regarding facts connected with play are final"


:)

[Kubrick]

Because you can't go to the video referee for somethnig petty like a free-kick, it would just take too long.

However much I want to see, it just won't. It works brilliantly in Rugby and Cricket but for me it's a no-no in Football. :)
The argument that it will take too long is untenable: the time taken between the arguments between players, referees and such, is more time taken off the clock, then a quick-look at the replay to see if he did really dive or was he taken down by the defender. This has a domino effect: players and managers won't make rash decisions, such as fouling players, dangerous tackles et cetera, as they would do if they felt hard-done by the referee. They can't refuse the truth of the decision from a replay. Example: Inter Milan versus Milan, two years ago. Referee decided on a few wrong decisions, through no fault of his own, fans felt hard-done by and game was abandoned when Dida got hit by a projectile thrown from the crowd.

Your argument is untenable, and more moronic than the argument that Peter Reid peddled: "We won't have anything to talk about if video referees are introduced".

[Blaze Lord]

Plus, if you only have, say, 2 or 3 chances a half, wouldn't this add up to like.. at most, another 20 minutes for both teams? And if you have such few chances, why would you waste it on something petty?

[Kubrick]

I wonder do the English fans here condone Gerrard's diving in a friendly a few weeks ago?

[phatmuther]

i dont condone any diving, any team, any one, theres no point

[WACCOE]

The argument that it will take too long is untenable: the time taken between the arguments between players, referees and such, is more time taken off the clock, then a quick-look at the replay to see if he did really dive or was he taken down by the defender. This has a domino effect: players and managers won't make rash decisions, such as fouling players, dangerous tackles et cetera, as they would do if they felt hard-done by the referee. They can't refuse the truth of the decision from a replay. Example: Inter Milan versus Milan, two years ago. Referee decided on a few wrong decisions, through no fault of his own, fans felt hard-done by and game was abandoned when Dida got hit by a projectile thrown from the crowd.

Your argument is untenable, and more moronic than the argument that Peter Reid peddled: "We won't have anything to talk about if video referees are introduced".
WTF?!?! You are a clown. That argument is crap...domino effect my arse, don't be so stupid. Nobber.

[Killer 57]

WTF?!?! You are a clown. That argument is crap...domino effect my arse, don't be so stupid. Nobber.

Are you sure he's the Nobber?

[WACCOE]

Well, it was him I quoted wasn't it.

[mjmaskrey]

Well you have to accept that the International influence has made diving an integral part of today's game. I don't like it at all...but I accept that any contact will result in a guy hitting the deck.

What does get me is the feigning of injuries, when someone gets a little brush in the face and they roll around as if they just got wrecking balled...that it just gay (for want of a better word).

What I wasn't happy with was John Terry going over time after time...I play defense and tbh it's where you want a solid guy who takes no crap...not jump on the floor instead of taking the ball and leaving the guy with a few bruises.

Bring back players like Razor Ruddock :p

:)

[Kubrick]

WTF?!?! You are a clown. That argument is crap...domino effect my arse, don't be so stupid. Nobber.
And mods denounce my use of the noun "kid" to refer to Thornbag, when this individual uses such retorts as "WTF?!?!", "clown", "crap", "my arse", "stupid", "nobber"...

[TBS Trojan]

what do you mean "dive", a dive tackle. or a deliberate act od diving forward.

[mjmaskrey]

Dive means to throw yourself to the ground to con a free kick from the referee...usually followed by 4-5 rolls on the floor and some class theatrical skills. (N)

:)

[Killer 57]

Diving:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrvRGTVkv6Y&search=Diving%20football

and for a laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRO626ImQek&mode=related&search=Diving%20football

[mjmaskrey]

If you want to see quality theatrics have a look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9AUayEJEeg&search=newcastle%20handball

MoTD watchers will know it well...it's legendary!

:)

[phatmuther]

If you want to see quality theatrics have a look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9AUayEJEeg&search=newcastle%20handball

MoTD watchers will know it well...it's legendary!

:)
hahaha i think it was the sniper :D

[Kalou]

Well people dive to win, if England were 1-0 down with 3 seconds left and Rooney had the ball in their box, would he dive? too f***ing right he would, if he didn't dive and England lost the match would everyone be happy with him? too f***ing right they wouldn't.

Diving is part of football now, the referee's we have in football are without a shadow of a doubt demented, they make the most crucial mistakes and fail to spot the most basic things, this makes people think;

"Since this ref is a blind s without his specs on, I can dive and get away with it"

Then everyone thinks and does the same and before you know it we have big Vieira bouncing around the pitch followed closely by 11 Italians doing 70 tumbles.

Apparently it's more important to dish out 15 yellows and 4 reds than it is to make football an entertaining sport, do we care if someone kicked the ball away? do we care if the manager steps 4 inches out of his god damn "box"? do we give a flying f*** if a player goes for a drink of water in the sweltering heat?

Why don't FIFA use video judges, do we see this kind of in rugby? do we ever see a wrong decision in rugby? is it so hard to let someone watch a replay of a goal to make sure it really went in, I mean jesus christ it would only take under a minute, how often would this have to be done?

Why don't FIFA use video evidence? Figo gets let off with a headbut because the demented ref didn't see it? unbelievable, this is like the FBI refusing to use DNA evidence.

FIFA have one set of rules and the ref's have another, diving should be award with a yellow yet the ref's don't do this, but as I said they are more worried about the nigly things than the proper things that are in my opinion making football as boring as any American sport.

Why not have 4 linesmen? surely 1 halfwit can't see the entire half of one pitch and it amazes me they are in contact with the ref yet they don't seem to be saying anything.

I wonder if football would be better without officials, next time Man UTD play Chelsea go into the local and find some drunk to ref the game and I bet he does a better job than these dentists and police arses.

[Raisedbyflames]

Sniper In The Toptear Player Down

[backin-strachan]

Its always the best players that dive, Gerrard Ibrahimovic Eto'o, what were they to managers like:@

If you were having a fight in a pub and got a wee touch on your face and went down like a ton of bricks you would be a complete laughing stock so why does it change for players.

Do we have to much respect for them.

Deco is personally the worse diver I have ever seen but in that video killr there were a few shockers.

When the World Cup is over you could have a 10 minute diving montage video...for each team.

:@:)

[WACCOE]

And mods denounce my use of the noun "kid" to refer to Thornbag, when this individual uses such retorts as "WTF?!?!", "clown", "crap", "my arse", "stupid", "nobber"...
Lol. :)






Let's count how many times that Rodriguez dives for Arentina today.

[AfroJoe]

Killer's compilation just goes to show how Gerrard is one of Europe's most clinical divers.

He had 3 incidents on that video alone, and they were all for Liverpool, so they missed out his numerous blatant dives when playing for England.

Typical Italians, though, eh?

[WACCOE]

Yeah, so our players do dive, as Killer's video proved - im not denying that at all, because I know they do...but knowhere NEAR as much as what Italy do, and have done for the past 10-15 years. (:/) And you know that.

[AfroJoe]

So it's ok to dive as long as you're doing it to a lesser extent than the Italians?

I know what you're trying to say, but my point is the "typical Italians" comment that seems to take shape on forums like these on a regular basis, just really doesn't cut it any more.

Portuguese, Dutch and German players dive an awful lot as well, yet the comment is always, "typical Italians".

[backin-strachan]

Now there was a lot of diving in that game there. M Rodriguez is one in particular. Im fed up with it. Glad they lost actually.

[Kalou]

Ballack is a diving pr**k, seriously the guy is a dirty cheating retard and if he does that in the premiership I hope his leg gets broken.

Diving was quite rare for me now everyone you didn't expect to do it does it now, still, international football is so god damn boring no wonder they dive.

[AfroJoe]

Yup, Ballack is one of the main offenders. Always has been, and I doubt playing for Chelsea will make him change his game.

I hate him.

[Kalou]

I never knew he was this bad before, he would get touched on the shoulder and go down holding his face it's such a disgrace, especially from a so-called captain.

Chelsea will be good to watch next season, on the wing they have Robben who falls when a gust of wind hits him, then in the center of midfield Ballack hits the deck every 5 minutes and Drogba does 50 flips when he loses the ball, and to top it all off we have Joe Cole and Lampard who shoot from f******g anywhere.

[WACCOE]

Pfffff....C.Ronaldo.

What a .

[backin-strachan]

Today both teams were just as bad as each other. Well probably Portugal more but England play to honestly.

[WACCOE]

Are you on about diving??

If so, you're wrong.

England didn't dive ONCE.


If you're not, I aplogize. :)

[backin-strachan]

No way, I cant belive your saying that but since your English and you just got beat on Penalties Ill let you off.

The head meeting incident. Terrys hands protected his face but still goes down crying. Both Coles were at it. Beckham chipped in with a few dives.
AND GERRARD. Deco used to be my favourite diver but now... WE HAVE A NEW CHAMPION.

[WACCOE]

WHAT!!!?!?!?!

You cannot be serious about John Terry, that guy is solid...there is no way he put that on. Im sorry, but that is utter bollox.

[Killer 57]

Gerrard dives with the best of them.

[backin-strachan]

If anyone is at it the most in your team its prob him. You can see it we can see it everyone can see it.

But Im fed up with this now. Ronaldo at it now. In a game where there was no contact at all and Thruam picks up a yellow card for fighting his case.

Im actually well gutted for you. Wayne Rooney in the preimership would get away with that and it would perhaps be a booking. CAN ANY OF YOU REMEMBER CELTIC vs PORTO IN THE UEFA CUP FINAL. But FIFA are spoiling this game. The card happy refs have ruined the world cup.

Not much of a point there just a selection of different ones.

[WACCOE]

Yup. Referee's have ruined the World Cup more than the commentators. (N)

[Killer 57]

What Player is it in this Replay?

http://www.pspfan.co.uk/mixsoft/images/ronny.gif

[WACCOE]

LMAO!! :D

Borgetti?

[Killer 57]

LMAO!! :D

Borgetti?

Nope. Lee Trundle.