Speculation mounts over PS3 event

[gameboyT]

From BBC news website....

"Sony is expected to reveal more details about its eagerly awaited Playstation 3 console in Tokyo on Wednesday.
Reporters and analysts have been invited to an event, which was originally only intended for PlayStation game developers.

This has led to speculation that Sony may be gearing up to give more details about the launch of its new console."

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"These events typically address platform strategy, loyalty structures, development-related plans and other details that aren't as interesting to us, but the fact that they opened the meeting up raises the possibility that there might be more,"


The full item is here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4805788.stm


To me it seems that Sony are panicking.
See what they have say tomorrow.

[backin-strachan]

Yep I believe they will set a Q4 release date for Uk and then the console wont be near as complete as it should be. It wll sure be interesting but I cant wait till E3

[bingo83]

Will be interesting to hear what the competition has in store for gamers. No doubt the Sony Fan Boys will be massaging their groins in anticipation.

[PublicEnemy#1]

i heard this a couple of months back and it might not be true.
A man who workrd at sony let out some information about the ps3 saying that the xbox 360 was by far better then the ps3 then he got fired.

[sharplayer]

Dont know, dont care.......

[mjmaskrey]

Sony today confirms delay for next-gen console; says it will support an Xbox Live-like online gaming service--and use a 60GB Linux hard drive.

TOKYO--Today at the 2006 PlayStation Business Briefing in Tokyo, Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutagari made it official--the PlayStation 3 has been delayed. The news confirmed widely circulated Japanese newspaper reports, which said that the delay was due to copyright-protection problems with the next-generation console's Blu-ray drive. For his part, Kutaragi would only say the delay was due to "Blu-ray spec finalization."

Kutaragi told the crowd at the event that the PS3 would now launch in November 2006 worldwide. That dispelled fears that the console would make it to Japan in time by the fall, but would miss the all-important holiday shopping season in the US and Europe. In fact, Kutaragi explicitly told the crowd of game retailers and journalists present that the PS3 would arrive before Thanksgiving in all territories.

Besides the delay, Kutaragi also made official another widely reported aspect of the PS3. He said that Sony is indeed preparing an Xbox Live-like online gaming service for the console, which would be called the "PlayStation Network Platform." Though he was short on specifics, the executive did say that currently Sony planned the service to be "free."

While the simultaneous tri-territory PS3 scheme may sound much like Microsoft's international launch of the Xbox 360, Sony plans to avoid the shortages that befell its competitor. Kutaragi said that the company plans on producing at least one million units of the console each month in order to keep the supply channel full. He said the goal was to ship 6 million PS3s worldwide by March 2007.

The SCE president also told the crowd that the PS3 would use a 60GB 2.5" hard drive. Unsurprisingly, the hard drive will be loaded with the Linux operating system versus Microsoft's Windows OS. As of press time, it was unclear whether or not the HD would be boxed with the system or be sold separately.

Last month, a Merrill Lynch report predicted a six- to 12-month delay for the PS3. Earlier this month, a note from Friedman Billings Ramsey said that the system may not come out in the US until 2007. The Merrill Lynch report cited the company's decision to go with new technologies in the Cell processor and its Blu-ray drive as main reasons for the delay, with heat issues and a lack of software that would be ready for a spring launch sealing the deal. The FBR note didn't cite a reason, but readers could infer it from its sources: supply chain data combined with news from the firm's semiconductor research team.

Investor anticipation of a PS3 delay had shares of Sony trading down as much as 2 percent in Japan before the press conference, according to a New York Times report.

On a seperate note: there's rumours that Sony are going to offer back catalogue downloads (as the Rev will) for PS3. I'm starting to find Sony really annoying as they're just stealing idea's from competitiors....where's the innovation? It was lack of anything innovative that stopped me getting a PS2...unless they sort it it could keep me off PS3 aswell!

:)

[phatmuther]

some updates

IGN further reports that Sony will "continue selling [the PS2] at its current price of $149 for some time," killing any chances for a current-gen price drop in the near future.

1UP is reporting on "a major new PSP update this spring," including "the ability to hook up a camera to the PSP" and "use the system for GPS location." Also listed at 10:42 PST: "There will be a web browser upgrade shortly, but it still won't have Flash support."

IGN fills us in on the PSP's "E-Distribution" features, which mean that portable owners will be able to boot directly from Memory Sticks without the use of hacks and "download classic PlayStation titles and play them on your PSP."

IGN reports that the PS3 will be "100% backwards compatible," and that "all legacy titles played on the system will be displayed at high-definition resolutions," similar to the Xbox 360's BC upscaling (but hopefully without the profile downloading). "[F]ull Blu-ray support" and "the latest HDMI connection" were also touted.

IGN says a $199 PSP "base unit" to mirror the original Japanese release will hit U.S. shelves by the end of March. Europe will be similarly fitted with a 199 Euro package on March 22nd, while Japan will get "a new white PSP SKU... starting April 15th... for 19800 Yen (~$168 US)."

Ken says that "all PlayStation 3 games will ship on Blu-ray [only!] to help prevent piracy," and that "initial BD-ROM production [is expected] to reach 2.5 million in Japan and Europe and 5 million in the US.

The wild statements continue with a new set from Ken regarding the PS3. He says that the "games are 'live' and that the PS3 concept is '4D,'" with titles going "from 8-bit to 16-bit planes, to the 'space' that you saw on the PS1/PS2, and now PS3 will be 'live.'"

Final PS3 dev kits "will be shipping out to production houses in June." 15 different companies will be making SDK tools and middleware for the PS3, including the company we've sourced with this news, IGN/GameSpy.

While an exact price was not released, GamersReports claims that a minimum price range was announced, which was nothing "less than 50,000.00 JP YEN" (or "$425.607 USD"). Perform your own up-to-the-minute currency conversion here. Unless the PS3's cheaper in the U.S., that means that the HDD-bundled Xbox 360 will remain cheaper than the PS3 in the States even without a price drop.

[sharplayer]

I am only suprised that they will shipp PS3s with HDD. At least thats what Kutaragi said.

"When we initially announced our plans to launch this spring, we had expected the standardisation work on all of the technologies to be completed by last August, but there were improvements that were decided on since then," said Kutaragi.

[Mez]

Excellent news. Gives me 6 months to save up, sounds awesome. I know being an x-box fansite, 1/30 of you will agree, but i'm looking forward to this :)

[Raide]

Thats true mez, we are a 360 site but we are gamers as well. I don't mind what console it is on just as long as the game is fun to play!

[Raisedbyflames]

if u can load linux on it like they said then id beable to play my pc games and it would be hard for me to say no to it

[Raide]

Well, according to specs, the PS3 is using a Linux OS so that should be interesting. Dont expect the PS3 to let people play PC stuff on it...well...not right away. It will be hacked to bits!

[RollerCoasterRider]

Cool news.

Now for the games. :)

[backin-strachan]

Who was right again?!? ...ME:p

This will damage Sonys chance at this console war. But fair play to SONY for accepting but I could have told them this when they announced SPRING 06 at MAY 05 E3. But only good news for NINTY and MS

[Mez]

How does this ruin Sony's chance in the console war. There's already been folk on this board talking of friends who are waiting to get the PS3 no matter what the release date. Sony already have a massive 'fanbase' as such, there's no way in hell they're gonna struggle to compete here. For all we know, games are already deep into development for the PS3, so although the xbox has had a years headstart, the games may well be on par with one another come the release of the PS3.

[Killer 57]

Gamespy? yeah..............xbox live killer.......riggggght.

[backin-strachan]

How does this ruin Sony's chance in the console war. There's already been folk on this board talking of friends who are waiting to get the PS3 no matter what the release date. Sony already have a massive 'fanbase' as such, there's no way in hell they're gonna struggle to compete here. For all we know, games are already deep into development for the PS3, so although the xbox has had a years headstart, the games may well be on par with one another come the release of the PS3.
Well I was saying if your product is on the market a year and possibly more than your rivals obviously you will have an advantage.

And if the release date is constantly getting delayed it is going to put people off.

[just Jam Man]

Yeah the ps3 is dead already mid-07 release here? No chance! lol idiots! No-one is gonna wait for more than a year before going next-gen which means Ninty and Ms will be the winners!

[gameboyT]

Yeah the ps3 is dead already mid-07 release here? No chance! lol idiots! No-one is gonna wait for more than a year before going next-gen which means Ninty and Ms will be the winners!

Why are people so loyal to a games hardware platform anyway, after all its just a game isn't it ! But I agree with Jam Man, you would have to be a real hardcore Sony fan to wait a year and then pay more the privilege. However, stranger things have happened although I can't think of any right now.

[RiLu@]

SONY's PS system is big, still lots of retailers that dont sell XBOX at all, like toy'r us here in norway!!!!!!

... no GRAW for me today!

[Mez]

Well I was saying if your product is on the market a year and possibly more than your rivals obviously you will have an advantage.

And if the release date is constantly getting delayed it is going to put people off.

There was what, 9 months between the xbox and PS2? Now the xbox did bloody well to establish the fan base it did considering Sony had already established themselves in the console market.

But what i'm saying, is Sony have already got a massive fanbase, people who would probably be willing to wait 2 years for the PS3. Now, I reckon this will work to Microsofts advantage, as people will buy the 360 in the meantime when they normally wouldn't have to get a feel of the next-gen, but the PS3 will not die, of that I am 99% positive.

[backin-strachan]

Didnt say it would die. I said that an opponent having at least a years advantage in the market will have a better chance of selling more products. And also by constantly delaying the release date wont help matters.

Sure you will get your fanbase but if some see what the 360 can do they might just opp for MS. Just saying

[Steve]

Ugh Backin Strackin you are one of the most ignorant Xbox Fanboys I have seen on this source of communication we call the internet. You obviously show you have know knowledge of what your talking about nor do you have a fair opinion. SONY SUCKS! Blah Blah Blah...

When a system shows better specs, more features and a better price (425 for Blu-Ray...Hellz Yeah) common sense tells you where to go. I love the 360, and I will continue to support it but Im not going to be biased because it came out first.

And a worldwide launch in november isnt mid 2007 for the UK. And to a gaming industry they put UK last usually for good reason (less market). I just dont understand your ignorance and stupidity, it shocks me. How do you consider yourself a gamer?

[just Jam Man]

Yeh but steve you have been known to stir things up by being a bit too loyal to sony! JOKES everythings cool start confronting

[gameboyT]

"Ugh Backin Strackin you are one of the most ignorant Xbox Fanboys I have seen on this source of communication we call the internet."

Ugh who is "we", have you been watching too much invasion ?

"You obviously show you have know knowledge of what your talking about nor do you have a fair opinion. SONY SUCKS! Blah Blah Blah..."

What do you base this statement on ? I haven't seen that at least in this thread.


"When a system shows better specs, more features and a better price (425 for Blu-Ray...Hellz Yeah) common sense tells you where to go."

What specs, what price, where is the common sense ?


"I love the 360, and I will continue to support it but Im not going to be biased because it came out first."

So you would continue to support 360 even if the PS3 is far superior in every respect, ie Blu-Ray for 425 ?

"And a worldwide launch in november isnt mid 2007 for the UK."

granted.

"And to a gaming industry they put UK last usually for good reason (less market)."

I have no figures but I don't think the UK market would be lower than say Luxembourg. (Look it up on a map).

"I just dont understand your ignorance and stupidity,"

Really ?

"it shocks me. How do you consider yourself a gamer?"

since when is ignorance and stupidity not a trait of some gamers ?

This thread was created for serious consideration not baiting.

[Steve]

A bit to loyal to Sony? If you mean liking their console and agreeing with specs saying that the next console will be just as good as the 360 if better. And gameboy, most of the answers to your questions can be seen in the articles above. And by the UK I was referring to competiting with markets like Japan and North America, not comparing UK to Europe. And I know where Luxembourg is..just because Im from America doesnt mean I dont know anything about the outside world.

And as for baiting..

[Killer 57]

You just got burned and you come back with this?! weak..

[sharplayer]

Sony sucks on my opinion and that's my opinion. I dont want some guy tell me all the aspects of it that are good or bad. Sony sucks and thats all. :D

[Steve]

"Ugh who is "we", have you been watching too much invasion ?"

Stupid irrelevant point.

"What do you base this statement on ? I haven't seen that at least in this thread."

Its being general and shouldnt be taking literally.

"What specs, what price, where is the common sense ?"

In an article posted above the a minimum price was given..alot less than most expect. The specs can be found all over the net from ign to a ps3 site that started last night. And as for common sense..you decide.

"So you would continue to support 360 even if the PS3 is far superior in every respect, ie Blu-Ray for 425 ?"

Yup, LIVE and Halo...why not?

"I have no figures but I don't think the UK market would be lower than say Luxembourg. (Look it up on a map)."

Referring it as 3rd to the big markets (Japan and NA


Most of your other points imo were not worth regarding to becuase it showed no insight of point except for your last comment. Ignorance is a huge part of a gamer, forgot that ;).

Im sorry was the a better reply Killer 57. And I dont really see how I got burned, maybe I did from the fanboy angle I did but from a nuetral angle I dont see much.

Sharplayer your post doesnt deserve a response.

[Killer 57]

All I have to say is Don't buy a PS3 because its made by Sony and its has Playstation in the name buy a PS3 if it has the features you want.

[Killer 57]

oh I love this,


http://terror.snm-hgkz.ch/mirrors/www.thegia.com/mirror/news/n990228b.html

[just Jam Man]

Uh-oh lockdown lockdown! Who thought it was a good idea for a playstation forum?

[backin-strachan]

Thanks for support guys.

XBOX FANBOY get a life! I am a Ninty fanboy more than anything else.

Are you trying to say that by releasing a console earlier than your rival isnt going to give you an adavantage. Hell Yeah it is.

Just because you dont doesnt mean another customer wont walk into GAME with £400-£600 for a PS3 and some games. Then see another console (360) more established in the next gen market and has more quality next gen games available due to its time one the market.And MS didnt tease the 360 fans with release date they just stuck to them.

Just maybe some of the PS3-ers might think "Well wait a minute here" Look at a well organised company maybe our money should be goin elsewhere.

[Steve]

No im not saying that at all. Microsoft will have an advantage in sales. BUt it wont surpass Sony. Sony has a HUGE fanbase. Nothing will stop them from getting sales. Look at the PStwo. Did anyone need it? No. Did anyone buy it? Yes. People will keep buying Sony products because they are an established company. This Isnt Microsoft when they released the Xbox. Sony has a name for itself and its Number 1. No matter what you say the Xbox is a minority in the gaming industry and that is their biggest disadvantage. Do I love the Xbox? Yes. Do I love the 360 more? Yes. Will I like the PS3 and the 360 the same? Probably. When it comes down to it graphics dont matter. I can make a beautifully rendered tree and you can stare at that for a while but I dont think it would be any fun. But, your saying that people wont buy the PS3 because of what the 360 can do. If the PS3 can do the same or do something better why would the average gamer pick up the 360. And btw, no one is dropping the 360 price until next year because of Sony's predicted higher price.

Not to mention....with all this new backup the PS3 launch lineup will have a bunch of killer aps. Halo 3 wont match up to GT: Vision, perhaps a new GTA in the making, MGS4, Killzone 2....the list goes on and on. Thats why MS will be smart enough to release Halo 3 after the Sony hype is over, right before they release theirmuch weaker Second Wave (different from the 360 where the second wave was alot better than the launch list).

Am I trying to switch you over to the PS3 side? No because I hate that side. It just like the "Ninty" and Xbox sides, which is ignorance and pure stupidity. Am I trying to make you want to buy the PS3 or even admit it will be a good console- yes because it will be something worth buying, rather just dismiss it becuase its the Xbox's biggest competition. In my opinion you should buy each and every gaming system (except for the Ngage, that sucked) from these guys when they come out. This way you can make your opinion yourself, by actually playing it.

[sharplayer]

"Sharplayer your post doesnt deserve a response"

- I never wanted a response, becasuse that was my true opinion on Evil Sony and dont want somebody tell blah....blahh....that better, thats worst.....they're gonna win, they're gonna loose....They suck and thats all

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Killer 57]

No im not saying that at all. Microsoft will have an advantage in sales. BUt it wont surpass Sony. Sony has a HUGE fanbase. Nothing will stop them from getting sales(Tell that to Nintendo with the N64). Look at the PStwo. Did anyone need it? No. Did anyone buy it? Yes. People will keep buying Sony products because they are an established company.(No they believed the hype read my post above) This Isnt Microsoft when they released the Xbox. Sony has a name for itself and its Number 1. No matter what you say the Xbox is a minority in the gaming industry and that is their biggest disadvantage. Do I love the Xbox? Yes. Do I love the 360 more? Yes. Will I like the PS3 and the 360 the same? Probably. When it comes down to it graphics dont matter. I can make a beautifully rendered tree and you can stare at that for a while but I dont think it would be any fun. But, your saying that people wont buy the PS3 because of what the 360 can do. If the PS3 can do the same or do something better why would the average gamer pick up the 360(That works both ways, if the 360 can do the same and better why would the average gamer pick up a more expensive PS3?). And btw, no one is dropping the 360 price until next year because of Sony's predicted higher price.

Not to mention....(do you really think all of those games will make launch? Remember what the 360 Launch games list was at first?)with all this new backup the PS3 launch lineup will have a bunch of killer aps. Halo 3 wont match up to GT: Vision(are you kidding me?! Halo 3 can't match up with a racing Sim! you are underestamating the Halo name), perhaps a new GTA in the making, MGS4, Killzone 2....the list goes on and on(why stop now? I'm sure there more then that no there isnt). Thats why MS will be smart enough to release Halo 3 after the Sony hype is over(Sony's hype never stops it would be best to release Halo 3 when its ready.), right before they release theirmuch weaker Second Wave (different from the 360 where the second wave was alot better than the launch list).

Am I trying to switch you over to the PS3 side? No because I hate that side. It just like the "Ninty" and Xbox sides, which is ignorance and pure stupidity. Am I trying to make you want to buy the PS3 or even admit it will be a good console- yes because it will be something worth buying(Its hard to want to buy a console that no one here has even seen a game running on it.), rather just dismiss it becuase its the Xbox's biggest competition. In my opinion you should buy each and every gaming system (except for the Ngage, that sucked) from these guys when they come out. This way you can make your opinion yourself, by actually playing it(exactly how can we give an opinion about a console that we havent played or even seen it in action?).

Those are my thoughts on your post.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Steve
No im not saying that at all. Microsoft will have an advantage in sales. BUt it wont surpass Sony. Sony has a HUGE fanbase. Nothing will stop them from getting sales(Tell that to Nintendo with the N64). That is referring to before Sony became number one, pointless comment.[/B]Look at the PStwo. Did anyone need it? No. Did anyone buy it? Yes. People will keep buying Sony products because they are an established company.(No they believed the hype read my post above)([B]Wasnt it better than the dreamcast? Maybe not 50x but that was pretty close to Toy Story graphics figuring Toy Story really wasnt shooting for an exact replica of real life) This Isnt Microsoft when they released the Xbox. Sony has a name for itself and its Number 1. No matter what you say the Xbox is a minority in the gaming industry and that is their biggest disadvantage. Do I love the Xbox? Yes. Do I love the 360 more? Yes. Will I like the PS3 and the 360 the same? Probably. When it comes down to it graphics dont matter. I can make a beautifully rendered tree and you can stare at that for a while but I dont think it would be any fun. But, your saying that people wont buy the PS3 because of what the 360 can do. If the PS3 can do the same or do something better why would the average gamer pick up the 360(That works both ways, if the 360 can do the same and better why would the average gamer pick up a more expensive PS3?)((More features, Sony only games, new online media based LIVE and all the Blu-Ray Tech brings to the table). And btw, no one is dropping the 360 price until next year because of Sony's predicted higher price.

Not to mention....(do you really think all of those games will make launch? Remember what the 360 Launch games list was at first?([(Yes because GT was scheduled for Summer 06, now it has months of advance, will some be cut-yes but for the most part these should remain the same.)with all this new backup the PS3 launch lineup will have a bunch of killer aps. Halo 3 wont match up to GT: Vision(are you kidding me?! Halo 3 can't match up with a racing Sim! you are underestamating the Halo name)(referring to all of these games combined to Halo 3, people want turn dont this lineup for one game. If they are smart buy both consoles), ,perhaps a new GTA in the making, MGS4, Killzone 2....the list goes on and on(why stop now? I'm sure there more then that no there isnt)((Huh?) Thats why MS will be smart enough to release Halo 3 after the Sony hype is over(Sony's hype never stops it would be best to release Halo 3 when its ready)(No it wont, which will magazines publish first on their mainpage...the new Sony console or Halo3???), right before they release theirmuch weaker Second Wave (different from the 360 where the second wave was alot better than the launch list).

Am I trying to switch you over to the PS3 side? No because I hate that side. It just like the "Ninty" and Xbox sides, which is ignorance and pure stupidity. Am I trying to make you want to buy the PS3 or even admit it will be a good console- yes because it will be something worth buying(Its hard to want to buy a console that no one here has even seen a game running on it.) (Its hard to discredit a console when you have never seen a game running on it) , rather just dismiss it becuase its the Xbox's biggest competition. In my opinion you should buy each and every gaming system (except for the Ngage, that sucked) from these guys when they come out. This way you can make your opinion yourself, by actually playing it(exactly how can we give an opinion about a console that we havent played or even seen it in action?) (Same response from b4) .

And theres yours.

[Killer 57]

Microsoft will have an advantage in sales. BUt it wont surpass Sony. Sony has a HUGE fanbase. Nothing will stop them from getting sales(Tell that to Nintendo with the N64). That is referring to before Sony became number one, pointless comment.

No you were not, because saying that doesnt make sense? you do know that Sony became number one with the PS1 right?


Wasnt it better than the dreamcast? Maybe not 50x but that was pretty close to Toy Story graphics figuring Toy Story really wasnt shooting for an exact replica of real life

http://www.juegomania.org/Dead+or+Alive+2/fotos/dreamcast/0/117/Foto+Dead+or+Alive+2.jpg

http://www.classicgaming.com/reviews/doa/hardcore2.jpg

Can you tell the PS2 DoA between th DreamCast DoA? I can't.


That works both ways, if the 360 can do the same and better why would the average gamer pick up a more expensive PS3?)((More features, Sony only games, new online media based LIVE and all the Blu-Ray Tech brings to the table

More Features? Really can you name me 2 that th 360 deosnt have?

Sony only games yeah but what about MS only games?

Do you really Believe that Sony can create an online servise like Xbox Live?

Blu-Ray could be the reason to chose PS3 over 360 I would give you that one.


Not to mention....(do you really think all of those games will make launch? Remember what the 360 Launch games list was at first?([(Yes because GT was scheduled for Summer 06, now it has months of advance, will some be cut-yes but for the most part these should remain the same.)


MGS4, Killzone 2....the list goes on and on(why stop now? I'm sure there more then that no there isnt)((Huh?)

You were only able to mention 3 games yet you said the list goes on, I want you too name more killer app games.

Sony's hype never stops it would be best to release Halo 3 when its ready)(No it wont, which will magazines publish first on their mainpage...the new Sony console or Halo3???),

Halo 3, the Sony cosole has already been announced, Halo 3 hasnt bigger news.


console- yes because it will be something worth buying(Its hard to want to buy a console that no one here has even seen a game running on it.) (Its hard to discredit a console when you have never seen a game running on it)

errr you just re stated my point....nice.

and your talking about all of these killer app games and how Halo 3 cant stop them but since when was Halo 3 the only game coming out for the 360?

what about? Gears of War? Mass Effect? Blue Dragon?Bioshock?Too Human?Raonbow six:Vegas?Crackdown?ChromeHounds?Medal of Honer:Airborn?Test Drive Unlimited?

[Steve]

Halo 3 isnt bigger than a new Sony console!! What world are you living in??? God of War..compare that to any DC game. Dont use 3rd party games in your examples either...(Rainbox 6, MOH). Also you have no sense of reading and writing becuase you obviously never understand the point Im trying to get across to you. It took me 15 minutes on MSN to try to tell you something as simple as one sentence. Cant you look at things from other angles or is it just one view= "Xbox is better than the rest"

[Killer 57]

Halo 3 isnt bigger than a new Sony console!! What world are you living in??? God of War..compare that to any DC game. Dont use 3rd party games in your examples either...(Rainbox 6, MOH). Also you have no sense of reading and writing becuase you obviously never understand the point Im trying to get across to you. It took me 15 minutes on MSN to try to tell you something as simple as one sentence. Cant you look at things from other angles or is it just one view= "Xbox is better than the rest"

So I'm the one who can't read or write even though;

Sony's hype never stops it would be best to release Halo 3 when its ready)(No it wont, which will magazines publish first on their mainpage...the new Sony console or Halo3???),

There I clearly stated that it would be best to release Halo 3 WHEN ITS READY. yet you reply with that.

And yes God of war a game that came 5 years into PS2 life is better looking then those. The Top one was DreamCast and the bottom one was PS2 btw.

The Reason I'm replying to is the points that you are bringing up, saying that all there games out do Halo 3 and not mentioning all the fantastic looking games coming out for the 360 this year.

[Steve]

Well its confusing to understand your sentences because you dont use periods. :/. In that sentence you made two different points without the period. But anyways: yes they are alot of Xbox games but no Xbox-Only games that will switch somebody over except for Halo 3. (not sure if Gears of War is an Xbox only title).

This E3 expect full playable PS3 demos and final specs and features to answer all this speculation on the system, because after all thats all you have on it.

[Killer 57]

Gears of War is first party its being published by Microsoft, Mass Effect is xbox only so is Too Human and Dead Rising and Blue Dragon also Crackdown.

[Nemphtis]

Sorry, I can't be reading most of this debate but it seems people are debating over which console will end up being the winner of the upcoming console war. Now, although it's very stupid to talk about a console that isn't even out yet based on my experience with gaming over the years I am quite confident the Playstation3 will once again surpass the 360. There were two major advantages Microsoft had over Sony in the current generation console war; Microsoft's console came out quite some time after the PS2 giving Sony a big foothold advantage but also giving Microsoft the advantage of having a far more powerful console. The second advantage was of course Xbox Live, Sony's answer was an improvised online service which was obviously nowhere near as great. But now the tables are turned, no? The 360 came out first, Sony has a chance to trick up their console to ensure that this time theirs is more powerful.

Also this time Sony is creating an Online Service from the start of the PS3's development, meaning this time it's not going to be another improvised piece of crap and it could rival/surpass Xbox Live. Add to that the fact Sony is the company of choice for casual gamers because it's 'hip', plus it's just common fact that most developers favour Sony so Microsoft will need to work very hard to gain as much developer support as possible because Mistwalker Studio's isn't going to be enough when it comes to Eastern RPG demands. At the end of the day, Sony's reputation, technological advantage and new Online Gaming service will all fit together to out-perform the Xbox360 when it is released. This is of course all my opinion mixed with common facts that we all know by now. Feel free to debate anything I've written as I do love a good gaming debate.

[Killer 57]

Also this time Sony is creating an Online Service from the start of the PS3's development, meaning this time it's not going to be another improvised piece of crap and it could rival/surpass Xbox Live.


You are telling me that the World's largesy Software company is going to be outdone by a a hardware company, that MS turf man thats there thing software not to mention MS has been working on Xbox Live for almost 6 years now.

[Nemphtis]

Yes, I'm telling you plain & simple the worlds largest Hardware company is going to (once again) crap all over the worlds largest Software company. I'm extremely pleased you could understand that part of my post since after reading some of the posts in this topic I was under the impression that nearly everyone here is a narrow-minded Microsoft fanboy who refuse to look at this in a non-biased perspective, no offense.

It's not about the worlds largest company. It's about fashion, there are many, many more casual gamers than hardcore gamers. Have you ever wondered why stupid spinoffs like Harry Potter games sell well? Because they are 'hip', if you're a casual gamer and you see a copy of Ico and a copy of Harry Potter at GAME you will buy Harry Potter since you've seen the film. Now the same applies to consoles, when you walk into a shop and you see the already infamous Playstation franchise and next to it sits two other consoles, you'd go for the PS3 because that's what all your friends are getting and they can't all be wrong.

I'm not saying the PS3 is better than the 360, because if I said that I would be no different from you fanboys. In my line of work I can't afford to be a fanboy, it would ruin everything I stand for, unless I got a job at the Official Xbox Magazine, then I could be as much of a Microsoft fanboy as I wanted. What I'm saying is that in my opinion the PS3 will defeat the 360 due to the fact Sony is 'hip' and Microsoft are that evil company. Simple as that.

[Killer 57]

What I'm saying is that in my opinion the PS3 will once again defeat the 360 due to the fact Sony is 'hip' and Microsoft are that evil company. Simple as that.

Thats sad but true. That is the reason I'm loyal to MS other then the fact that I can only have enough money for one counsel.

You made more sense in one post then Steve did in 5.

[Nemphtis]

I'm glad you think so, otherwise I'd give up my side-job. But you ruined it man, I was waiting for another reply from you ranting about how the 360 will 'pwn' the PS3 and I was going to reply by saying something like "Sorry but your opinion about which console is better doesn't matter when your email address is 'xbox_fanboy@hotmail.com' so I think you should go back to playing Halo" but you ruined it by seeing the light and understanding my point. ;)

[Killer 57]

haha Don't people just love my e-mail address :D

[Nemphtis]

Anyway now that I've achieved in enlightening someone on my point, I'd just like to say something to Steve. Although I agree with the majority of points you've tried to make in this topic, the method you used to make them was your biggest mistake. Some of your comments were what I'd consider offensive if you were directing them at me, which you weren't thankfully. But to put it simply if this was on my forum I would have locked this topic long ago. Maybe you lose your temper to soon or something, but it's not going to help you gain any supporters or friends in a debate, infact if anything you were just providing more fuel for these guys to reply to you with. The more you made them feel stupid, the more they wanted to prove you wrong. Just wanted to mention that. :)

[Steve]

Well after reading some of their comments, they were stupid and it angered me so much. If you archive this forum you will see some of the Xbox Die Hards posts...and it kills me on how much ignorance there is. It is almost like a bullet through my bain and honestly, I wasnt trying to get people on my side. I know I would get those fanboys who would just rave me for supporting Sony just a tad bit.

"You made more sense in one post then Steve did in 5.". Im sorry dont want to start more of an argument but, most of the things you didnt understand was because you were using this one-minded view, so please dont put that on me. And I see where my posts could be offensive but sadly they were trying to be offensive and rather rude. There is no reason to edit it because that shows how I felt, and yes I went out of my usual carachter..but we all do it sometimes.

[Nemphtis]

Yeah, it's cool. Just remember though, there are wise people, stupid people, strong people, weak people, all sorts of people in this world. You won't always agree with them and at such times just accept that their lifestyle is different to yours thus so is their opinion. I also get mad sometimes about some of the 'idiots' out there. I get chain letters from my friends because they're actually sad enough to believe the things on it "send this to 50 people and you will have an incredibly happy love life" and the fact they're silly enough to believe this angers me alot. Besides, I love people who don't agree with me, as I love a good old debate and this was a nice little debate while it lasted. Of course like the majority of videogame debates, there is no right answer. It's just a matter of opinion and it will remain like that until the facts drop into the hands of the world, meaning we won't know sh*t until the PS3 comes out and shows us what it has to offer. :)

[RiLu@]

Microsoft is the most trusted company in the world, not long ago it asked around the world and was the result!

Both do their thing, both are good, both are big and both are more hated than loved!
Theres place for both and there's also place for Nitendo!

I'm just happy to play the games!

[Killer 57]

I don't get mad even if it sounds like I'm.

[backin-strachan]

Microsoft is the most trusted company in the world, not long ago it asked around the world and was the result!

Both do their thing, both are good, both are big and both are more hated than loved!
Theres place for both and there's also place for Nitendo!

I'm just happy to play the games!
The most balanced perspective from all of us.

Wouldnt be suprised if NINTENDO take over the SONY and MS while they squabble with each other.

[RiLu@]

You're right BS, Nitendo is a nice company i don't know a single soul that hates Nitendo.
Next X-Mas we all will suprised with the amount of consoles and games Nitendo will sell around the world, if they do the same as Sony and go for a worldwide release!

[Nemphtis]

Are you sure? To be honest if I had to hate a company it would be Nintendo. Not saying I do hate them, but if I had the option Nintendo would be at the top of my sh*t-list.

[Steve]

Becuase they put their entire company behind the back of a deformed plumber? Or because they brainwashed millions of kids with a retarted rat that can only say its name? Or the fact they ruined the greatest series of all times by giving Link a 12 viles of crack and gave us the oppurtunity to see the world of Hyrule on crack?

[mjmaskrey]

Oi...no dissing the Windwaker!

:)

[Nemphtis]

No, the reason I would dislike Nintendo is because their policy of trying to be original is usually a bad one. When I think of Nintendo I see Nintendo employee's rollerskating to work just so they are different, people who take the stairs instead of the elevator because it's more retro, a company that generally tries to do stuff that the others havn't done just so they can say "Yeah, we're different, we didn't allow DVD playback on our Gamecubes unlike Sony & Microsoft, nah that's too predictable".

Plus I agree with some of your points Steve, Mario has been done to death and Nintendo needs to stop using one person as their mascot. Personally I believe there are far better Mascots out there and it's not too tough to get another one. I'm sick of seeing a new Mario title nearly every month. Mario Tennis, Mario Pinball, Mario Soccer, Mario Party, Mario Pimping, Mario Kart, Mario Plumbing blah-blah-blah-blah you get my point. But don't get me wrong people, this is my opinion but I always try my best to not judge companies by their policy or mistakes but instead to judge them on their final product, be that a game, a console, a deck of cards in Nintendo's case maybe. I am a huge fan of Zelda, plus Metroid, Resident Evil 4, Super Monkeyball, Viewtiful Joe are games I own and love for my Gamecube. Goldeneye used to be the Halo of it's time for the Nintendo64, and why the hell am I sitting here discussing 360's and Nintendo with you all in a PS3 topic? God I'm crazy.

[Blaze Lord]

Good Lord. I go on vacation for a week and you all go Lord of the Flies on me.

[PublicEnemy#1]

i think nemphtis is right they need to stop bringing out all these mario games and just bring one well thought through and big on out every couple of years