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backin-strachan
20/Feb/06, 06:27 PM
Yes we have all been speculating of how much of a mess SONY are in but various sources are confirming this rumour as true and the fact it might not even reach us by summer.
Sony's next-generation PlayStation 3 console could miss its spring launch if industry specifications for some of its technology are not finalised soon.
The PS3 will offer games as well as the ability to play music and watch films, as it seeks to take on rivals Microsoft Xbox 360 and Nintendo Revolution.
The new console is expected to feature cutting-edge processors and graphics.
Sony said if industry specifications on some of the PS3 were not decided soon "the launch could be pushed back".
'Last possible minute'
"We're aiming for spring, but we haven't announced specific regions," a spokesman for Sony Computer Entertainment said.
They said Sony was waiting for final specifications - which are decided by industry consortiums - on some of the technology in the PS3, including that connected to the Blu-ray disc drive and to input and output video and sound.
"We're waiting for them until the last possible minute, but the launch could be pushed back if they're not decided soon," the spokesman said.
Yuta Sakurai, a senior analyst at Nomura Securities, said he expected Sony to try to launch the PS3 in Japan in early summer, in time for the school holidays in July.
Shares hit
Other analysts believe the US launch will not be until before November's Thanksgiving holiday, while a European launch is expected in early 2007.
"No one is seriously thinking a spring release is realistic any more," said Hiroshi Kamide, an analyst at KBC Securities.
Sony shares closed 3.64% down on the Toyko market.
"If the launch is delayed, it will be beneficial in the short term, but will be negative from the standpoint of share price," said Merrill Lynch analyst Hitoshi Kuriyama in a research note.
"If it is on time, the PS3 will weigh on the company's profitability."
"If Japan only gets it in Autmn therefore USA will get it near Christmas and thats still pushing it"
"When will the UK get it then??? Who knows"
This cheered me up:D:D:D
Killer 57
20/Feb/06, 08:41 PM
Yeah I knew a Spring Launch was a long shot but expect Sony's Hype Machine to be at full strengh come E3.
sharplayer
21/Feb/06, 03:09 AM
i wish they bankrupt.....hah ha ha ha haha!
Sony has been keeping this all under wraps. They have kept every game, hardware and their new online service "Playstation HUB" very secret and secure. You should expect alot of information on the Sony show coming this February which is based around the PS3. Expect prices, launch dates and games announced for the system. It might get a summer-autumn launch and hopefully they will do a worldwide launch, so Japan, NA and Europe can all get their PS3s at the same time.
sharplayer
21/Feb/06, 04:47 AM
I dont know man. Unless they try to release it in 2007 because i heard they're having problems with all kinds of stuff. It would be impossible to manufacture that many units ( especially withs its "unique" hardware) in that short amount of time. Maybe......
You never know, maybe they are making the units as we speak. I seriously doubt that Sony, the most respectable console maker would let the PS3 rot or get delayed becuase of a lack of information. I think everything is going to be revealed this next upcoming Sony show. They had a website up, I will try to get a link, but it said on it they will be focusing on releasing new "Important" information on the PS3. I hope they get a spring-summer launch, I would prefer that so, so, much, and Im hoping for a 300-500 dollar price range.
Wrath82
21/Feb/06, 08:42 AM
You never know, maybe they are making the units as we speak. I seriously doubt that Sony, the most respectable console maker would let the PS3 rot or get delayed becuase of a lack of information. I think everything is going to be revealed this next upcoming Sony show. They had a website up, I will try to get a link, but it said on it they will be focusing on releasing new "Important" information on the PS3. I hope they get a spring-summer launch, I would prefer that so, so, much, and Im hoping for a 300-500 dollar price range.
Uhhh... you're not quite close to the real price. :(
As this article (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6144600.html) explains, the production cost of ONE ps3 is somewhere around 900$ (!) :|, depending on if you want the Hard Disk or not. If you don't, subtract 100$: it's still 800$ per unit.
Now, Microsoft Xbox360 losses per unit were around 70-90$. If Sony wants to last another couple of months after PS3 launch, it should do the same.
So, the final price is: 800$ (799$) for the Premium package (including the HD), and 700$ (699$) for the "core" one.
And this is the main reason for Sony's 3,6% share drop on Tokyo stock market.
Now the question is: at THESE prices, would you still buy the PS3?
My answer is: farewell, Sony.
Yet there have also been articles on the how the Xbox 360 costs 700-800 dollars to make. They are losing millions of dollars because they can, and Sony is looking forward to year two, when the profits start to kick in. They are not stupid, they will put the PS3 at a price close to the Xbox 360. Rumors of the price like this are just insane.
Wrath82
21/Feb/06, 02:54 PM
Yet there have also been articles on the how the Xbox 360 costs 700-800 dollars to make. They are losing millions of dollars because they can, and Sony is looking forward to year two, when the profits start to kick in. They are not stupid, they will put the PS3 at a price close to the Xbox 360. Rumors of the price like this are just insane.
Mmh.. I think "insane" would be selling something they pay 900$ for 500$.
400$ loss PER UNIT? Remember we're talking about MILLIONS of units: that would be a KO hit even for Sony. And analysts say that prices will lower by 300-400$ in THREE YEARS, starting from 2008. So... maybe in 3 years the PS3 will cost as the X360 costs NOW. :brow
These are the numbers. If you want proof, I'll link it for you again:
Gamespot News on PS3 (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6144600.html)
When PS3 comes out, it will be so late that 100 games will finished for release day and HALO4 will be out at the same time!!!
HEHEHE!!!
I highly doubt this, the Sony is smart enough not to make a console worth 1000 dollars and sell it at 400. They definatly have something up their sleeve. I doubt they will do this, and if they do the Playstation will fail. See Xbox fanboys are hoping this would happen, hoping so much they will state it to be fact when it really is not. Just when sony people were making fun of the Xbox 360 look and launch titles, so dont be hypocrits and do the same to Sony becuase they have been in first place for so long.
I think it will take a year after the PS3 launch to get the 1-2-3 punch going- just remember that Sony and Nintendo are alot more popular in Japan then Microsft is, expect Sony to be leeching off of Japan like Nintendo has in their first couple of months. :geek:
Wrath82
21/Feb/06, 03:50 PM
Don't get me wrong Steve, I'm not a Playstation nor a Sony hater.
I own a PS2 and I think it's a fantastic console, especially thanks to its huge amount of games and third-party developers. But, when I had a look at PS3 specs, I thought that maybe this time Sony has tried a little too hard: The "Cell" processor, the Blue-Ray drive - that's expensive stuff to be manufactured at this time, you know. I thought that, perhaps, the pressure of making the ultimate next-gen console has made them miss the target. Yes, it is powerful indeed - but is PS fanbase rich enough to afford it? Ehr... I'm not :(
Anyway, time will say if you're right - and Sony has something in its sleeve - or not. And if PS3 will be released at 499$, I'll definitely go and buy it. :)
I would too, but anything higher I would be dissapointed and with the money I saved up for it, I would buy all the Xbox 360 games and sell my PS2 to a bunch of vicious primitive barbarians. I mean they aren't that dumb, they just can't believe and say oh well- "I guess the PS3 is going to cost $1,000 dollars, no biggie". That would be huge and the end of Sony in the console race which would be ironic because it would be very similar to how Sony basically destroyed Sega's chances of becoming one of the top consoles. Yes the specs say otherwise but Sony is probably going to do something so that they gain everything they lost in their first year with something great in their second year. They have announced Playstation HUB a subscription online service much like XBOX Live to compete with it, so like how Xbox LIVE saved the Xbox, I believe HUB will do the same with the PS3.
If it does go for a normal price like $399 or $499 I can't wait until Metal Gear Solid 4 comes out!
backin-strachan
21/Feb/06, 05:04 PM
Nice one RILU:p I honestly doubt it that the PS3 will be released here this year.
Whose PS2 warranty when up their PS2 stated DISC READ ERROR???
Yeah too many of us. Would you still call that a respected company. Microsoft always deliver the best quality product immaculately and they know the computing business side more so thats why I have a 360.
Microsoft has been having many problems with the Xbox 360 repair stage as well man. Your Xbox 360 hasn't broke down yet. Ask some of the people who 360 has had problems and needed to be returned to the factory. The console took ages to repair for most of them, and was delayed from the dates that it was expected to be completed. Playstations and Xboxs alike will break down all the time for die-hard gamers because of overuse. Overuse is the reason for breakdowns 90 percent of the time. You can't insult Sony on having disc errors when it is happening on the Xbox's side as well.
backin-strachan
21/Feb/06, 05:47 PM
Yeah but if you look at the percentage of 360s released with problems and the same with the PS2 I think the fraction will be far higher for the PS2
Bit bias but I believe its true even before I got my XBOX 360
Well you can say anything you want really, but like the Xbox did at the time the PS2 was first made Sony built the ultimate console. They are trying their best to make no problems, but I just can't see anyone being so stupid to putting their top product on sale for such a high price or anyone believing it just because it is rumored. People have put the Xbox 360 totalted to cost 700 for each console made. So if the the PS3 launches one price at $499 in a Worldwide launch they will be on par with the Xbox 360 in price and have the ultimate console ready to go. Everything will be shown and released most likely at the IGDA-London on February 22nd (aka 1 Day Before the Day After Tomorrow). Developers will meet with Sony reps, announces perhaps the price, launch date, and hopefully games planned for the launch.
backin-strachan
21/Feb/06, 06:52 PM
It will be very interesting to see your views on both consoles when you have both in 2 years:p sorry so bad.
But before you bought both what excited you the most???HONEST ANSWER PLEASE:)
Im not sure what you are asking exactly, but are you asking what excites me both about the PS3 and the Xbox 360? I think that is what you are trying to say so I will answer that to the best of my ability.
What excites me both about the Xbox 360 was simply the controller. I really wasnt thrilled with my Xbox because the controller was the worst conconction on the face of this planet. The Xbox 360 controller is a work of art and it is a great additon. For the PS3 I would have to say the Blu Ray Player. No load screens, more graphic detail, larger games- how can you not be excited for it. Honestly I won't be able to choose between consoles, I don't discriminate against either of them because I love the PS2 and love the Xbox 360. I just dont like it when rumors are put down as Sony's flaws.
backin-strachan
21/Feb/06, 07:19 PM
Well no specification details yet and the consoles supposed to be released in not even 2 months.Somethings up. MICROSOFT had their details finalised pretty much at E3. More details in early August, PRICE etc.And then they showcased the FINAL console in early SEPTEMBER. SONY unless they have a big massive announcement tomrrow I think have a long wait. It was the same with the PSP Q1 2005 no Q3 2005.
AND I MEANT TO SAY
Seeing both consoles(360 and PS3) what excited you the most???
I think the PSP did come out during the first Quarter of 2005 but if you say so say "ok". They will release it during this Spring in Japan and probably a wait for North America until Q4 or Q3. Not to much of a wait but it does give the Xbox 360 a full year advantage to promote it. So the PS3 will have to make up ground but it probably will have the same success the last consoles have.
backin-strachan
21/Feb/06, 07:28 PM
Yeah I can see where we are getting mixed up I am in the UK and am giving an opinion based on what the big guns do here the PSP was probably released US in Q1 05 but it was supposed to conicide with the UK launch. I would probably be getting a PS3 if MICROSFTS attitude to the EUROPEAN market isnt as strong as it is because we are normally waiting an extra year at least for consoles but well you know...:p
You know you can usually just buy an imported Playstation3 from the states and have it shipped over to the UK. Makes much more sense, because you get your PS3 and it still reads in English. Yeah for most people it is hard to welch off of the US sales becuase most stores are so pre occupied with getting their pre ordered lists down its almost impossible to order a console and send it that far. Sony releases their products in the rate of success. They get most success in Japan (like almost all Technology) then North America and then shortly after that they will do the rest of the world in stages. Microsoft took a huge risk with the WorldWide launch and it didn't pay off in Japan but pulled out great in North America and Europe. I doubt Sony will risk that with their highest buyers.
If you get any console from the US you run the risk or a power surge to the console and also the video region problem.
backin-strachan
21/Feb/06, 07:58 PM
YEAH 3 PIN PLUGS and NTSC and PAL problems and the risk of it being stolen or something happening is too dodgy £50 to ship it no way but can see what your thinking yet still too dodgy
sharplayer
21/Feb/06, 09:39 PM
The regions are the most annoying thing that has been ever made...
Not so bad for you though your in the US, currency wise you don't pay as much as us UK fold do. Put it this way. I game here is £50 while you pay £60. $60 is about £35.
we get scanked.. and we don't know where the money goes
Yes that is really bad, ususally the UK gets screwed over when US prices are converted. I guess here in the states we don't realize how luck we truly are. Cheaper gas, cheaper Taxes, cheaper gaming...we should truly stop complaining about prices. :brow
AfroJoe
22/Feb/06, 12:22 AM
Cheaper gas? That's an understatement.
CHEAPER gas is more appropriate.
Bold, italic, underlined, AND capitalised. Mega emphasis. :D
JJBDude
22/Feb/06, 12:48 AM
Doesn't surprise me to be honest. The chance of the Playstation 3 being ready for Spring is extremely slim and I wouldn't bet any money on it being ready for the summer. I think that the PS3 will come out in time for Christmas, a year later than the Xbox 360.
Hopefully the UK will get the PS3 before the USA, hopefully that articles assumption turns true. :D
Killer 57
22/Feb/06, 01:16 AM
Where did it say that it will come out in the UK before it does in the U.S?
I do hope it comes out in North America in the 3rd Quarter of the Season. A summer Playstation 3 can launch becuase a majority of birthdays and summer events are around and parents won't resist buying their kids the system they have been talking about for a full year and a half. The Xbox 360 which has grown to be a more mature console hasn't been seen to much by the younger kids (ages 6-11(even though every Xbox LIVE gamer hates 12 yr olds)). It just matters all on when and what comes out for it. If we do see a killer launch with Metal Gear Solid 4 as it's main app(like the Xbox 360 and Perfect Dark Zero, this has become the mascot of the PS3) the you should expect the PS3 sales to soar above the competition.
A Quarter 3 launch can also be best because Sony has announced sometime in this time range they will release Playstation HUB, the Xbox Live like service.
Blaze Lord
22/Feb/06, 02:02 AM
Mmmmm... I dunno man. I know everyone says that was the plan, but.. I really don't see Perfect Dark as the flagship title of the 360, launch or otherwise.
Killer 57
22/Feb/06, 02:04 AM
Halo is MS flagship franchise and Halo 3 will be Huge.
sharplayer
22/Feb/06, 02:23 AM
Halo 3 and Forza 2 are the Flagships for 360
So, the final price is: 800$ (799$) for the Premium package (including the HD), and 700$ (699$) for the "core" one.
And this is the main reason for Sony's 3,6% share drop on Tokyo stock market.
Now the question is: at THESE prices, would you still buy the PS3?
My answer is: farewell, Sony.
You make it sound so bad in dollars;
700.00 USD = 401.276 GBP
Yes. If it's a better consel, what reason do you have for not buying it?
JJBDude
22/Feb/06, 09:15 AM
You make it sound so bad in dollars;
700.00 USD = 401.276 GBP
Yes. If it's a better consel, what reason do you have for not buying it?
I will want the premium package which would cost more than 401 pounds (around 460 pounds?) and even though it might be well worth it I will have to live without until the prices drop.
Some of us aren't rich, my dad is planning to get a Playstation 3 on it's launch but he will change his mind if those are the prices he is going to have to pay. It just isn't worth it when you have a Xbox 360 which is great anyway.
Blaze Lord
22/Feb/06, 09:53 AM
Would it be fair to assume that the prices in the UK would be higher than this? I thought you guys were saying that 360 games cost more over there.
Lets face it. If Sony releases the PS3 at a cost of lets say-$600- there will be an uproar. Today there is a Sony developers meeting in London (IDLA) where Sony is suppose to make a big Keynote about the games coming out and about the system itself. Im hoping they will release their information today afterall it was just a couple of days ago they stated the Merril Lynch report to be false. Hopefully they can confirm us with specs and launch dates even though I doubt we will hear anything like that today. Expect to hear something on titles coming out for it launches when it launches.
Sony has pertained to the idea of a Spring Japan launch and a worldwide launch going with it or happening before Christmas or in Quarter 3.
Wrath82
22/Feb/06, 03:32 PM
Yes. If it's a better consel, what reason do you have for not buying it?
Well, I have a number of reasons, one above all: I cannot afford it. :brow
And, secondly, your sentence was right - IF it's a better console. But, what makes it so? Sure, it's a hardware portent, but you cannot say anything for sure by now - we don't even know when it'll be released.
One thing is for sure: if it really costs 700$, PS3'd better be a uber-ultimate-monster console: otherwise, some people might think about not buying it. :unsure:
Well that is why it is going to cost $700 dollars because it is the ultimate console. It has the best media player ever for a console/hardware device, which takes away load screens, longer games, and a more detailed scenery. It also has compatibility with 7 controllers and on a 50 inch HDTV screen that will still look good. Also the PS3 cell processor is faster by 55 mhz to the 360, and with the impending release of the Playstation HUB, maybe Sony can finally pit something up against the infamous Xbox LIVE or hopefull the next best thing. Sounds like the ultimate console to me.
Ok - If you can't afford it thats fair enough.
sharplayer
22/Feb/06, 09:46 PM
I never liked PS2 so I would never buy the PS3.
Blaze Lord
22/Feb/06, 10:23 PM
Well that is why it is going to cost $700 dollars because it is the ultimate console.
I disagree, and here's why:
It has the best media player ever for a console/hardware device, which takes away load screens, longer games, and a more detailed scenery.
I assume you mean the Blu-Ray? Well. Longer games, -maybe-. That really is a maybe, no Xbox1 game ever pushed the capacity of the DVD. Xbox 360 games may approach that limit, but.. DVDs are so cheap and easy to mass produce now, I don't think a 2-disc game would be that big of a deal. Regardless, here's my point. 95% of games in this (360-PS3) generation will not take up more space than is on the DVD. The same holds true for detailed scenery. Programmer's have just gotten better at putting more detail on the same amount of bits. Even if this weren't true, very few developers wouldwant to spend the extra $10 million dollars for a superior PS3 game, in terms of length or detail. There won't be many games that push the limits of these consoles, and not for some time.
Takes away loading screens? Sorry to say, guy, but.. The 12x DVD that the 360 has is as fast, and in some cases, faster, at reading data than PS3's Blu-Ray.
It also has compatibility with 7 controllers and on a 50 inch HDTV screen that will still look good.
Eh. I dunno about that. Plus, you end up getting weird geometry with dividing a screen in any number that isn't 4. Or 16, I guess. What's more, Sony's pretty bad at getting all it's developers in line. Well. No. They're good at getting developers in line when it means paying them something. But, in terms of unifying every multiplayer game into having support for 7 players on a single console? Doubtful. Besides, as I said, more than 4 on a single screen seems.. well. Pointless, to me, even if it were commonly possible.
As for HDTV, if Sony ever does get 1080p (Sony makes a lot of claims pre-launch and then lets them fade away), it will look worse than 1080i or 720p anyways. 1080p30 is a bad choice for gaming.
Also the PS3 cell processor is faster by 55 mhz to the 360,
Well.. given the multithread architecture that both console's CPUs are going for, I'm not sure this number is that relevant anymore. Regardless, Sony's been horrible at providing libraries and runs to its developers. Have you guys not noticed that PS2 games this year look the same as PS2 games last year, which look the same as PS2 games the year before? PS3 devs will not be able to squeeze out all the great numbers Sony's throwing at us.
and with the impending release of the Playstation HUB, maybe Sony can finally pit something up against the infamous Xbox LIVE or hopefull the next best thing.
This may well be true. But I have my serious doubts. First of all, they're doing some weird financing things with devs and online capabilities. I don't remember the exact details about a conference with Korean game makers, but I'm pretty sure it basically boiled down to Sony reimbursing the costs of developing a game's online-ishness if it measured up to some arbitrary standard of success. What I feel this basically boils down to is that a lot of games won't interact with the HUB at all. Sort of like how some games on Xbox1 had nothing to do with XBL. With the 360, however, that isn't the case.
Another reason I have reservations about the HUB is, well. Okay. Microsoft is a software company who started to dabble in the hardware business. For all of Xbox1's flaws, they certainly got the software right, and that couldn't be more true for the 360 XBL. On the other hand, Sony is a hardware company developing its software. Do you really expect a hardware company to do a unified, central gaming network better than a company like Microsoft, but not only that, do it so quickly and so quietly?
Sounds like the ultimate console to me.
Ultimate hype machine to me. And in case I haven't made my case enough, let me close with two words:
Emotion Engine.
Sharp Player, have some rep for that great post, you too Blaze Lord. You really made a valid point.
sharplayer
23/Feb/06, 12:25 AM
Blaze Lord is right. For PS3 Bluray is going to take 30 sec. to load something, unlike 360 which will only take about 12 sec ( it depends ). Time to time Sony will release faster drives which will catch on 360 load times, but that will happen only in couple of years when BluRay drives will get cheaper. Point is : 360s Load Times are going to be a lot shorter than PS3s.
There's some guys here who seem to have a personal vendetta against the PS3 and it's really quite sad. Owning an xbox 360 doesn't mean you are legally bound to it, if the PS3 is better or at least as good but offers you a different variety then go for it. I can respect Blaze Lords points when he actually puts evidence towards why he think the PS3 won't be as good but some of you guys need to grow up.
Presuming the PS3 isn't £600, i'll be getting one. The xbox 360 is at an excellent price, but anything from around £450 and down i'll be willing to pay for the PS3. I love my xbox but i'm not gonna be a fanboy and swear allegiance to one machine or the other.
There's some guys here who seem to have a personal vendetta against the PS3 and it's really quite sad. Owning an xbox 360 doesn't mean you are legally bound to it
We didn't we were. But most of us know how Sony work and we don't like it.
But hey I got a gamecube if that helps?
We didn't we were. But most of us know how Sony work and we don't like it.
But hey I got a gamecube if that helps?
Sony doesn't work any differently to Microsoft or Nintendo, it's paranoia if you think they're out to screw us over.
Sony doesn't work any differently to Microsoft or Nintendo,
That made me chuckle 8-)
Well an adult conversation obviously isn't gonna emerge from this so we'll just have to leave it at that.
They all work differently and stop acting like Sony is the enemy. If you heard about it, Sony acknowledged Microsoft and does not consider the Xbox 360 a competitor since they are interested in developing games with Microsoft and sharing their games with the and MS games with Sony. Which means don't be suprised if there is a PS3 Halo 3 version and if there is a Xbox 360 Metal Gear Solid version. This was said by a Sony representative speaking for the whole company.
Killer 57
23/Feb/06, 01:23 AM
So saying that 720P isnt true Hi Def and calling the Xbox 360 the Xbox 1.5 is acknowlegding them.
sharplayer
23/Feb/06, 01:28 AM
Sony acknowledged Microsoft
Didnt you hear when leader of Sony Entertainment called 360 a Xbox 1.5? I dont think thats called "respect" . On the other hand, i never heard Microsoft say anything bad in public about PS3.
Edit: Sorry Killer i didnt see that you already stated about how Sony called 360 a 1.5. I rushed to fast to post what was on my mind.
Well that's becuase he has played the Xbox 360 and has come to the conclusion that it is a slight improvement from the Xbox and not a vast improvement. I personally would say to that play Need For Speed Most Wanted on the Xbox and then play it on the Xbox 360, you will see a difference. Microsoft can insult Playstation all the want, but still they have spoken to each other and have some kind of deal planned out in the mix. Wonder if it will fall through.
sharplayer
23/Feb/06, 02:02 AM
I can argue with you for hours because whats coming out of you mouth right now is just childish, but i wont. Discussion about this is over for me in this thread. peace out.
Hey Im just saying what they said. I think it was at the Tapei Game Show that Sony wanted to look at Microsoft as partners, which just like you I think is pretty odd because they are making the exact same product.
Blaze Lord
23/Feb/06, 02:23 AM
If you heard about it, Sony acknowledged Microsoft and does not consider the Xbox 360 a competitor since they are interested in developing games with Microsoft and sharing their games with the and MS games with Sony. Which means don't be suprised if there is a PS3 Halo 3 version and if there is a Xbox 360 Metal Gear Solid version. This was said by a Sony representative speaking for the whole company.
No, that isn't quite how it went down. Yasuda (Sony Computer Entertainment Asia’s corporate executive managing director and senior vice president of Asia) didn't really mean it as lovey-dovey as you're making it sound You're misinterpreting the.. subtleties of the Japanese conversation. The "not a competitor" angle is not saying they view Microsoft as potential allies or partners. Yasuda is saying Sony views Microsoft as so inferior as to not be serious competition. As for developing games, they are in no way talking about putting Sony's first party games on the 360 system. Yasuda is talking about Microsoft being the next Sega, and developing MS games for the PS3 (and no longer being in the console business.) This is talking smack, not corporate diplomacy.
Microsoft can insult Playstation all the want, but still they have spoken to each other and have some kind of deal planned out in the mix. Wonder if it will fall through.
There's no deal, and I highly, highly doubt they are in talks. As for Microsoft insulting the Playstation.. Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutaragi is quoted as saying, "Microsoft is trailing behind us and is not a threat." (Once again, this suggests that they -are- in competition, but Sony just isn't sweating it.) More inflammatory, and my point of bringing up Kutaragi, is this: "Beating us for a short moment is like accidentally winning a point from a karate master and Microsoft is still not a black belt. Just like with their operating systems, they might come out with something good around the third generation of their release."
No, that isn't quite how it went down. Yasuda (Sony Computer Entertainment Asia’s corporate executive managing director and senior vice president of Asia) didn't really mean it as lovey-dovey as you're making it sound You're misinterpreting the.. subtleties of the Japanese conversation. The "not a competitor" angle is not saying they view Microsoft as potential allies or partners. Yasuda is saying Sony views Microsoft as so inferior as to not be serious competition. As for developing games, they are in no way talking about putting Sony's first party games on the 360 system. Yasuda is talking about Microsoft being the next Sega, and developing MS games for the PS3 (and no longer being in the console business.) This is talking smack, not corporate diplomacy.
There's no deal, and I highly, highly doubt they are in talks. As for Microsoft insulting the Playstation.. Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutaragi is quoted as saying, "Microsoft is trailing behind us and is not a threat." (Once again, this suggests that they -are- in competition, but Sony just isn't sweating it.) More inflammatory, and my point of bringing up Kutaragi, is this: "Beating us for a short moment is like accidentally winning a point from a karate master and Microsoft is still not a black belt. Just like with their operating systems, they might come out with something good around the third generation of their release."
Well from the articles I read it seemed almost as though Sony and Microsoft were partnering up together to develop games for each other. I was shocked when I read it and like you I doubted it to be true. Now that you put it into a more clear perspective (and hopefully some of those sites can see what you wrote) I understand what your getting at. That is actually really rude and the exact opposite of what I was trying to prove :/. That is prretty wrong, maybe Sony should take Microsoft more as a serious opponet.
Even with this, and no matter how ruthless or trash talking a company can get they are on top, so they can really say what they want sadly. But they better show something at the Sony Devstation show or perhaps the Game Devlopers Show (GDC). They have stated that they will be making major keynotes for both shows regarding the PS3. Finally, for the first time since E3 Sony will announce something major pertaining to the Playstation 3. Thanks Blaze Lord though on informing.
Blaze Lord
23/Feb/06, 03:29 AM
Oh, don't worry Steve. They do take Microsoft seriously. They just don't want to appear that way. You think Sony would spend money on PlaystationHUB if they thought they could get away with the PS2's model of online service? If there were no Xbox Live, do you think the PS3's ethernet adapter wouldn't be an add-on again?
A lot of the stuff you mentiond there Blaze Lord, I didn't know. I would just say that's unprofessional, Microsoft may say the same things internally but wouldn't let it go public and neither should have Sony.
The way I see it though, is that's Microsofts problem, unless some of the guys who 'hate Sony' work for Microsoft, why are you all getting so upset at a company who have provided years of excellent technology?
The thing is, it is alot harder for Microsoft in this industry. They wanted to come into the home console industry when there was already 2 next gen consoles out and one new one coming on the way. It was still a very impressive showing because they did take the second spot, but the Playstation has made a name for itself. Plus LIVE doesn't appeal to parents as much as buying a Jak game does. Microsoft needs to find a way to attract younger kids like Nintendo does to boost up sales. Conker might of been the perfect game if it werent for all the blood and sex references (that game still makes me crack up).
So Microsoft in this generation has to make more family-oriented games. And besides the sports games on the Xbox 360, most of those launch titles weren't the best to change their method. I mean yes, their adult games are great, and they will keep on being developed. But to attract more sales to go higher than 20% they need to contact kid game developers to get something going.
Sony will of course release games that parents will buy for their kids when the PS3 comes out. Final Fantasy, probably another Kingdom Hearts (looks like a dumb game, but the original was pretty hard) down the road, and you can't say that a new Jak game isnt coming.
backin-strachan
23/Feb/06, 05:36 PM
I would never spash £400 on any console. £300 was still a bit tight for me but I think £400 is OTT. HALO3 is the flagship 360 well I believe that anyway
I would never spash £400 on any console. £300 was still a bit tight for me but I think £400 is OTT. HALO3 is the flagship 360 well I believe that anyway
Fair enough bud, I was just saying that if it was good enough, i'd be willing to. I paid £600 for my PS2 with 5 games, expensive, yup, but it was the must have and at the time, incredible.
Blaze Lord
26/Feb/06, 01:40 AM
Speaking of the CES, Kaz Hirai, president and CEO of Sony America, had the last word on the matter. Addressing not just Microsoft but, seemingly, would-be-owners of PS3, Mr Hirai stated, "The next generation doesn't start until we say it does."
http://www.gamesradar.com/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=38561&subsectionid=2524
rydo-uk
26/Feb/06, 11:08 AM
Fair enough bud, I was just saying that if it was good enough, i'd be willing to. I paid £600 for my PS2 with 5 games, expensive, yup, but it was the must have and at the time, incredible.
exactly wot i done as well Mez
Yas another gers fan :D
that 2 gers and 2 tims here now lol
backin-strachan
26/Feb/06, 03:37 PM
2 gers 3 tims
Ya orc:p
I thought the 360 was a bit much but I can see your point because it was amazing I thought it be worth it
Killer 57
27/Feb/06, 06:05 AM
I just finished listining to Major Nelsons Podcast and he revealed that Next weeks Podcast he will interview the guy who got fired for trashing Sony! When the Podcast goes up Sunday March 5th I will make sure to post a link to it ;)
Blaze Lord
27/Feb/06, 06:17 AM
Yep, I heard that too. Hopefully he will get in a couple 'Tell me why the ps3 sucks' bits.
backin-strachan
27/Feb/06, 05:09 PM
Yep cant wait to hear an insideer betray the dark side:p
Yep cant wait to hear an insideer betray the dark side:p
Think you will find out that he can't say much because he signed one of them deelys.
Blaze Lord
28/Feb/06, 03:50 PM
I think the cat's already out of the bag with that one.
sharplayer
28/Feb/06, 10:20 PM
He's geting so much more money on his other job that he got now. He should thank Sony for fireing him.
Blaze Lord
28/Feb/06, 11:45 PM
Well... That's a little bit of an extreme position.
Killer 57
06/Mar/06, 04:08 AM
Download the blogcast here:
http://www.majornelson.com/2006/03/05/show-165-the-one-with-that-interview/
Wrath82
08/Mar/06, 11:06 AM
The thing that really makes me mad about Playstation 1,2 and 3 is that, here in Italy, Sony's machine seems to be the ONLY console around.
I'm one of the few (proud) owners of a 360 (as well as a PS2 and a GameCube) in my town, and when my friends come at my house to play games like CoD2, PGR3 and FULL AUTO, they begin drooling and say: "damn, this is incredible - watch this, how can they make graphics like that", and so on. Understandable, considering they own a PS2.
So, I naturally say - hey, it's just 299€, go to the store and buy it so we can play 4vs4. Their answer: "Sorry buddy, I'm keeping my money for May, to buy the PS3". So I laugh :D and explain them that it's not coming this spring, and probably not even this year, and that it'll probably cost a lot.
But, with a skeptical shrug :brow, they stick to their decision, and I'll never be organizing a decent System Link 4vs4 Party.
This is my sad story. :'( PS fanboys won't even consider buying another console, just because... it's not the PS.
Anyway, other news (http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=24394092) (source Gamespot) say that probably PS3 is gonna be delayed to Holyday 2006 in Japan... if two hints make a proof, then we have 10-12 proofs by now. Anyway, nothing we weren't aware of. :sleepy:
Bye!
Yeh i understand what you're saying I have 2 exemples.
3rd december day after i got my 360 i was 4 days in prague. Over there, there was no sign of it, i talked with people in some computer shops, there's not many of it, but they didn't know when it was for sale in the country or anything.
Xbox games i only found in one shop.
And in Portugal retailers don't give place on their shops for the 360, like we're not interested in this console we're waiting for PS3.
Blaze Lord
08/Mar/06, 07:51 PM
Speaking of PlayStation and Italy..
I remember that this ad: http://pics.livejournal.com/bluntdoctor/pic/0003ap93
got them in a bit of hot water with the Vatican.
backin-strachan
08/Mar/06, 08:41 PM
The thing that really makes me mad about Playstation 1,2 and 3 is that, here in Italy, Sony's machine seems to be the ONLY console around.
I'm one of the few (proud) owners of a 360 (as well as a PS2 and a GameCube) in my town, and when my friends come at my house to play games like CoD2, PGR3 and FULL AUTO, they begin drooling and say: "damn, this is incredible - watch this, how can they make graphics like that", and so on. Understandable, considering they own a PS2.
So, I naturally say - hey, it's just 299€, go to the store and buy it so we can play 4vs4. Their answer: "Sorry buddy, I'm keeping my money for May, to buy the PS3". So I laugh :D and explain them that it's not coming this spring, and probably not even this year, and that it'll probably cost a lot.
But, with a skeptical shrug :brow, they stick to their decision, and I'll never be organizing a decent System Link 4vs4 Party.
This is my sad story. :'( PS fanboys won't even consider buying another console, just because... it's not the PS.
Anyway, other news (http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=24394092) (source Gamespot) say that probably PS3 is gonna be delayed to Holyday 2006 in Japan... if two hints make a proof, then we have 10-12 proofs by now. Anyway, nothing we weren't aware of. :sleepy:
Bye!
Same happens with me. I tell people what I was doing last night(Playing the 360)and I tell them how good it is and they reply
"Im gettin a PS3 though"
But I tell them you ll be waiting 1 year + at least but they say its the PS3 and wont give the 360 a chance.
THERE LOSS
Wrath82
09/Mar/06, 03:59 PM
Same happens with me. I tell people what I was doing last night(Playing the 360)and I tell them how good it is and they reply
"Im gettin a PS3 though"
But I tell them you ll be waiting 1 year + at least but they say its the PS3 and wont give the 360 a chance.
THERE LOSS
I hope something changes after March, when we'll be able to show them some terrific games :)
Wrath82
09/Mar/06, 04:22 PM
Speaking of PlayStation and Italy..
I remember that this ad: http://pics.livejournal.com/bluntdoctor/pic/0003ap93
got them in a bit of hot water with the Vatican.
Yes, it was even on TV for a short while.
I'm not a believer so I'm not quite disturbed by this ad; still, I don't really get the sense. I mean, it's obviously designed to hit the eye, but what's the message behind? What has the Playstation to do with Jesus Christ, his suffering, the crown of thorns?
The only concept that may link the two things is "passion". But it's used in the opposite sense, and IMO it doesn't give the right feel. Moreover, the guy is smiling, as to say "it doesn't hurt, it's fun". And this is ironizing on Christ's pain. Not fun.
Ultimately, this ad looks like poor taste to me. Down with Sony this time. (N)
it's even hard to see the simbols on it!
Killer 57
09/Mar/06, 09:04 PM
I swear I made a reply where did it go.
Exostatic
10/Mar/06, 06:36 PM
And in Portugal retailers don't give place on their shops for the 360, like we're not interested in this console we're waiting for PS3.
That's not true. I'm from Portugal and if I go to FNAC or Vobis I can find an Xbox 360 just like that. Except I don't have the money to buy one.
mitchw01
10/Mar/06, 11:06 PM
sony have brainwashed people into thinking their console is superior to mcrosofts and ninty.
ps fanboys will have to realise that sony will soon dissapear.
if they want to waste their money on a breadbin let them.
I love the fact that Sony don't have a clue about advertising. Anyone been reading the tech news recently. What with the subway adverts and that graffiti.
I like MS because there advertising is rly good with things like ilovebees and ourcolony.
sharplayer
11/Mar/06, 01:54 AM
Did you ever see those cheap PS2 tv commercials? When ever i see them i just keep laughing.....
backin-strachan
11/Mar/06, 01:02 PM
Thre is a Sony advert when the CGHAMPIONS LEAGUE is on. Its a big dork in a cage staring at someone playing a PS2. Okay then...
Sony will sell consoles there is no doubt about it. People just have to see what the 360 is capable of and I dont think enough people do.
The 360 koisks are a good idea but I believe they dont do it justice. But the market share Sony had with PS2 wont be near as much with the PS3 if the inside reports are true. Well fingers crossed
sony have brainwashed people into thinking their console is superior to mcrosofts and ninty.
ps fanboys will have to realise that sony will soon dissapear.
if they want to waste their money on a breadbin let them.
Sony aren't gonna dissapear. No matter how long it's delayed, the PS3 will emerge and IMO it will be an awesome console and will go very nicely beside my awesome 360.
I've not been brainwashed by any companies, all opinions have been made up myself, I preferred the PS2 to the xbox due to the number of games available, I didn't like the xbox controller and I thought the machine looked ugly. Microsoft have really turned things around IMO with the 360, it's a gorgeous machine, the controller is possibly the best i've used and the games are more-so appealing to me.
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