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bingo83
31/May/07, 07:40 PM
What does Sony need to do to make people buy PlayStation 3? It's fairly clear that whatever the magic ingredient may be, the company hasn't found it yet. PS3 is selling, certainly, but it's not selling in remotely the kind of volume needed to challenge Xbox 360 - leaving aside Wii's flyaway sales curve.

Something needs to be done to give the console the kind of spark which will make the market warm to it. But what? All of the talk surrounding the PS3's lacklustre first few months in the market to date has focused on the reasons why the console isn't doing well. Contributions to this debate have ranged from entirely justified criticism of the price point to to rather questionable claims that Sony's problems are down to people on the Internet being nasty about PS3.

In the midst of this discourse, few commentators have actually looked at what - if anything - Sony can do to repair the situation.

The first and most obvious remedy lies with the price point of the console, which is almost universally regarded as being too high. Compared to the Xbox 360, the PS3 is an expensive piece of hardware - and in a market where even the 360's sales seem to be held back by the dominance of cheaper consoles like Wii and PS2, that leaves PlayStation 3 looking like an overpriced behemoth.

Among consumers mostly looking for game experiences, rather than high-def media platforms, Sony's arguments about the PS3's capabilities as a Blu-ray or HD video player so far hold little water when it comes to justifying the price.

A price cut seems almost inevitable in the coming months, if only because it would be suicidally stupid to leave the price at its present level. That will will certainly be positive, but questions must be asked about just how much Sony can shave off the price tag - and how much it will help sales.

As Bank of America's Michael Savner pointed out recently in an interview with Business Week, the price of the PS3 is currently so high that normal price cuts will have little impact on the bottom line for consumers.

He described a USD 50 price cut as "meaningless", and he's not wrong; bear in mind that translated to the UK, where the console retails at an SRP of GBP 425, a USD 50 cut would only bring it to GBP 400 at best. Even a USD 100 cut would still leave the PS3's price tag looking bloated, at GBP 375 or so.

Could Sony conceivably shave more off the figure? Is a USD 200 price cut entirely out of the question? There is precedent for cuts of that magnitude early in the lifespan of a console - the precedent was set by Microsoft, when it hammered down the price of the Xbox within months of launch.

Certainly, the company lost a little bit of face over its decision, but it quickly became clear that it was the right thing to do, as sales of the Xbox surged ahead. Five years on, it's unlikely that the Xbox business would be remotely as successful as it is now were it not for that tough decision on price cutting.

Of more concern is the question of profitability - and whether Sony's management could potentially see a major price cut as throwing good money after bad, given the already enormous costs associated with the PS3.

Significantly increasing the loss the company makes on each console sold would be a painful move, although it's worth noting that the PS3 becomes cheaper to manufacture with each passing day as economies of scale rack up on the Blu-Ray components used in the system.

However, given the immense success of the PlayStation business in the last ten years, Sony may well feel that the division has earned enough trust to justify this further investment. This one is impossible to call - it's certainly tough to imagine a USD 200 cut, but it's not outside the realms of possibility.

The second remedy to Sony's problems lies with software - and here some strides are being made. Successive updates to the firmware of the PS3 have turned the console into an extremely attractive system, especially for anyone who owns a high definition TV; the recent addition of high-def modes for PS2 games is an important feather in PS3's cap.

PS2 games, as played on a PS2, look awful on a HDTV - Sony's superb upscaling makes the PS3's backwards compatibility into an incredibly useful and important feature, rather than just another tickbox on a spec sheet for fanboys to argue over.

On the gaming side of things, the company's score card is still mixed, but improving. Releases on PlayStation Network are filtering through more slowly than gamers had hoped, but at least the future pipeline of games - both boxed and online - is looking more and more impressive.

Given a few more solid date announcements in the coming months (perhaps at the firm's E3 presentation), Sony will have a relatively solid winter line-up - and nailing down exclusivity on Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII would be a worthwhile strategy for the company purse, too. Hardcore gamers and those looking for quirky software, meanwhile, have found their views on the console softening thanks to things like LittleBigPlanet.

There is definitely more that Sony can do on this front, though. PlayStation Network, in particular, is simply looking anaemic right now - and we know for certain that it wasn't meant to look this way. Not so long ago, Sony was encouraging small start-up developers to work on projects for PlayStation Network, and bankrolling them from the Sony purse; but to some extent, at least, that initiative appears to have been altogether less successful than expected.

Perhaps the quality was simply lacking in many projects; perhaps, as one developer told me with some measure of bitterness, Sony simply didn't understand what a small business needs to survive, and was "an absolute nightmare to work with", a lumbering giant accidentally squashing the tiny creatures it's trying to make friends with.

Either way, the scheme needs reinvigoration. If Sony wants to match Microsoft's goodwill and Nintendo's innovation, it needs to become an incubator for small development talent, a hothouse environment which encourages small, mostly independent teams to gift the PS3 with a steady flow of clever, innovative, cheap software.

The final element which Sony needs to turn the PS3 around, sadly, is one which is in short supply. That element is time.

Time for high definition televisions to become more widespread. Time for games to finish development and woo audiences. Time for services like Singstar and Home to be launched and to mature. Time for Blu-Ray to establish itself, and become a desirable element of the console. Time for the arrogant-sounding and widely reported comments of executives like Ken Kutaragi and Jack Tretton to be forgotten by a vocal audience who don't forgive easily. Time for consumers to tire of their PS2s and look for the next big thing.

Time, sadly, is a commodity Sony may not have in great measure. The Wii continues to build a market - and Microsoft may have slowed down for now, but it would be foolish to assume that Redmond will never learn how to build mass-market games and services.

By the time Sony clambers back to its feet, there's a real danger that Microsoft, already reigning supreme over the hardcore market, will have learned how to turn out more casual, mass-market oriented games - and will be busy chomping up the consumers who were switched on to gaming in the first place by Sony's efforts in the last five years.

Equally, every day Sony spends languishing in third place is a day when publishers must question their commitment to the PS3 - and once that starts happening, it may well be game over.

It seems almost certain that within Sony, discussions and debates are taking place along these lines right now. There is an undeniable crisis facing the company - not the first it has faced in its long history, and far from the last - and there will be many options for action discussed.

It is certainly not too late for the PS3; consoles have had tougher launches than this, and gone on to be successful, and the PlayStation brand continues to be a vastly important driving force for the industry.

The danger for Sony lies in perpetuating any of the arrogance or assumptions of success which tainted its strategy with the PS3 in the year leading up to launch - because the "It'll be fine, it's a PlayStation!" attitude is what has led the firm to this impasse in the first place.

It may not be too late, but Sony's next move must be carefully considered - because there is a real chance that it could be too little.

Here is why I think Sony is struggling to sell units.

1) Price point - £425 for a console is stupid. It takes it out of the realm of impulse buy.

2) UK Launch date - Sony missed the huge Xmas window and will struggle to generate any hype for the product until the winter months when the software portfolio should be better and with less PC /360 ports.

3) Hardcore gamers bought the import version - Sony missed the boat on this with thousands of gamers cancelling their pre-orders and buying the USA version, sometimes at a significant saving to the UK price.

4) Backward Compatibility fiasco - Just before the UK launch Sony said they where ripping the PS2 chips out and making use of a software solution. Hardcore gamers didnt like this and bought import yet again.

5) Software - Apart from Motorstorm and Resistance:FOM, there has been nothing on the PS3 which screams quality. At present it is playing host to numerous PC / 360 ports which gamers have already seen, played and traded on other next gen systems.

Why do you thinks it seems to be failing at present?

mjmaskrey
31/May/07, 08:14 PM
There's just nothing worth playing on it right now....I don't mind spending £350 on it but spending that for just 2-3 games just won't be worth it for many people.

I have a few mates with PS3's but they won't play it online due to MotorStorm being full of cheaters and glitchers and Resistance
they just think is rubbish....these people are Playstation through and through (don't buy any other makes of console) but still have very negative things to say about their PS3's.

Sony's main probelm is it has priced itself out of the Chav market....every Chav had the PS1 then PS2...now can't save up enough Giro money for a PS3.

:)

HotFish
31/May/07, 08:16 PM
Ha ha - you really do hate Sony don't you Bingo....every post lately is just to bash the PS3:'(

But yep i agree with some statements...launched to late and at a stupid time...but there is quality on the machine already..the likes of VF5 - which is coming to the 360 (though may not i once read somewhere), VT3 is miles ahead of the 360 version - no online though but i don't care. As you said Res FOM, Motorstorm are all good looking examples of what the future holds for the PS3, i even had Full Auto 2 and that looked very good.

£425 may be alot -but not to me!...Sega Saturn cost me that way back in 94/95 and what you get for that is a solid built high tech peice of equipment that contains the next generation of DVD built in no add-ons at £130 - i still believe that the 360 will need to use at some point in it life time - my bets are still for early next year! technology is improving, gaming is improving..therefore a dual layer isn't good enough to get the best out of the game. Stunning graphically games need just as good cutscenes - not FMV!

I still believe that my ps3 will come good (again) soon - for now i'll just stick with Zelda on my Wii

:)

That's HotFish signing out of my Sony PR campaign

bingo83
31/May/07, 08:32 PM
Ha ha - you really do hate Sony don't you Bingo....every post lately is just to bash the PS3:'(

You will like my last post in the 360 forum then :)

I dont hate Sony, I have owned every console they have released so far (except PS3). But none the games have held my attention for long. The USP for the 360 is Xbox Live.

Its so simple to get online and get a decent game. Admitedly I really only play COD2, but thats because it hasnt been bettered yet. Most of the people on my FL have ditched COD3 long ago and came back to COD2.

I am a decent player and still get my arse handed to me occasionaly on Ranked, which spurs me on to get better.

Until the PS3 has a price drop and I start hearing good things about its online capabilities I wont be buying one.

damien©
31/May/07, 09:12 PM
I think Sony would of benefited more of launching the 20Gb version here, I mean considering the Hard Drive is totally upgradable and the fact that Memory Cards and WiFi are no use to me.

I think that defiantly would of tempted me alot more, but I think like you say the main fact is the lack of games. Sure the overwhelming majority are made up of PC/Xbox 360 Ports which isn't exactly what you are looking for when a New Console Launches.

JoshD182
31/May/07, 10:20 PM
they need games, in both quality and quantity, then it may be worth the price they are asking for it.

Tobes
31/May/07, 10:27 PM
They need to make it ABOUT the games and drop the business act. Stop ----ing about with technology this and money that. It's about fun. That's why Ninty is kicking their ass. MS makes it about the community and it's a nice half way point. They dont make every game for 12 year olds yet they do try there best to make games for everyone. Plus MS employees seem to be the best people on the planet. I hope I love my job as much as they do.

Raisedbyflames
01/Jun/07, 12:47 AM
i bought the us version and the bigist problem is the lack of ----ing games their was no games for the 360 after launch till oblivion the ps3 has had a longer drought of games now and they need somthing worth playing

ArtG
01/Jun/07, 09:23 AM
They need to make it ABOUT the games and drop the business act. Stop ----ing about with technology this and money that. It's about fun. That's why Ninty is kicking their ass. MS makes it about the community and it's a nice half way point. They dont make every game for 12 year olds yet they do try there best to make games for everyone. Plus MS employees seem to be the best people on the planet. I hope I love my job as much as they do.

I think this upcoming fall lineup shows that Sony is about the games though. I don't want to go ahead and get into a game "name drop," war with anybdy, but for me personally, Sony has the most diverse game lineup coming of any of the three console makers in the second half of this year. While the 360 and Nintendo exclusives have a higher ceiling to their games (Halo 3 and Super Smash Brothers Brawl, for example) there is not one Sony exclusive that I am not excited about. And these are games that spread across a multitude of genres too. With the 360, you've got a nice amount of RPGs and shooters, and with Nintendo--well, you've got their mainstay franchises that you've been playing since the NES days.

As for Nintendo kicking their ass because it's "fun," I'll go ahead and disagree with that. I think it has a lot more to do with a $249 price point compared to a $599 price point. (Convert that into whatever it is in pounds... :P) The sluggish sales the Playstation brand is experiencing is, in my opinion, solely because the barrier to enter is just too high for even hardcore gamers. The inclusion of Blu-Ray might help them win the next-generation high-definition war, but it's killing them in the gaming sector at the moment.

What Sony needs to do is drop the price and back it up with software. We may see the first step (price cut), but the second step is a guarantee starting with Lair in late July.

russellclow
01/Jun/07, 09:26 AM
What I find people tend to forget are Sony are pros. Remember they reset the standard of consoles back with the PSOne, and then did it again with the PS2, then AGAIN with the PSP.

Sony know how to make consoles sell - it's that simple. I think the main two factors for the PS3's slow sale at the moment is the lack of exclusive titles and the price tag. The PS3's price will go down, definitely - and a year on from now, I'd expect it to be right up there with the Xbox 360's sales.

Sony's exclusive titles have always been quite simply, superb. The Gran Turismo series. Metal Gear Solid. Fantastic titles that pushed the previous playstations to a whole new level. It's only a matter of time before they grasp the market again - the PS3 is an awesome console, powerful, exciting, Blu-Ray support...

damien©
01/Jun/07, 10:06 AM
What I find people tend to forget are Sony are pros. Remember they reset the standard of consoles back with the PSOne, and then did it again with the PS2, then AGAIN with the PSP.


Reset the Standard? Did you just bang your head this morning?

I'm not going to deny that both the Playstation and PS2, were superb consoles but it wasn't due to any kind of Standard setting on their part. It was mainly due to the extensive Third Party Support they had, off the popularity of the Playstation which just basically snowballed when the PS2 launched.

Hardware wise, the Playstation 2 was no more than an updated PSOne, it had nothing to my knowledge that Reset The Standard for Console Games? Do enlighten me, Please

Tobes
01/Jun/07, 10:20 AM
there is not one Sony exclusive that I am not excited about
Could that be because there are hardly any?

As for Nintendo kicking their ass because it's "fun," I'll go ahead and disagree with that. I think it has a lot more to do with a $249 price point compared to a $599 price point.
I don't choose a graphics card because it's cheap. The same goes for consoles. I think it's more about the technology ninty are using and the fact that it appeals the a wider audience

What I find people tend to forget are Sony are pros. Remember they reset the standard of consoles back with the PSOne, and then did it again with the PS2, then AGAIN with the PSP.
Yeh I'm not to sure I understand what you mean about resetting the standard. All I can say is the DS is kicking the PSPs ass. If Sony were pros they wouldn't of had a launch like they did.

Sony's exclusive titles have always been quite simply, superb. The Gran Turismo series. Metal Gear Solid...
You could name only 2 :'(

IMO the PS2 won last years war because the gamecube was... well nothing and the Xbox was very late and something new and unheard of. This is why it had great 3rd party support and everyone owned one. I don't speak for everyone but my friends who own the PS2 and Xbox definably used the Xbox a whole lot more.

ArtG
01/Jun/07, 07:05 PM
Could that be because there are hardly any?

See, I didn't want to get into name dropping exclusives, but I'll just go ahead and do it anyways:

Ninja Gaiden Sigma (Yeah, yeah, originally a Xbox game. But Nintendo released Twilight Princess and Super Paper Mario which were Gamecube ports, so whatever.)
Heavenly Sword
Lair
Tekken 6 (Might fall out of this year, though.)
Warhawk
Ratchet and Clank
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Killzone
Folklore
SingStar
Eye of Judgement

Considering all of these games, it's looking good to own a PS3 this year. Sure, I'm sure a couple may not end up being everything we all hoped them to be, but these will be A-AAA titles that every PS3 owner will have an opportunity to own in the next six months. The problem is that these might not be system sellers in and of themselves, but they have GT5 coming down the pipeline, FFXIII, MGS4, LittleBigPlanet, and whatever else they announce at E3 for 2008. Sony has a ton of first-party games to leverage that will sell units. 2008 will probably be even bigger for the Sony platform just because of the two-headed monster that Final Fantasy XII and Metal Gear Solid 4 are.


I don't choose a graphics card because it's cheap. The same goes for consoles. I think it's more about the technology ninty are using and the fact that it appeals the a wider audience

You may not, but Nintendo has a significant price advantage over the 360 and PS3 right now and there is no doubt in my mind that it is the main reason they have been feeling such success. $249 or $399/$599. Microsoft/Sony bet on the consumer not being price sensitive to their system and the gamble has not paid off.

IMO the PS2 won last years war because the gamecube was... well nothing and the Xbox was very late and something new and unheard of. This is why it had great 3rd party support and everyone owned one. I don't speak for everyone but my friends who own the PS2 and Xbox definably used the Xbox a whole lot more.

Well, what is the Wii right now? It's really a Gamecube all over again, except this time, they have a major cost/price advantage. Think about what their top games have been: Super Paper Mario and Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. Both originally Gamecube games that were ported over to the Wii. Oh, Resident Evil 4: Wii edition is coming out! Where'd that start from? And it has only slight, if no, improvements graphically over the Gamecube version, unlike Ninja Gaiden Sigma. Why's that? Because the Wii is barely more powerful than an Xbox 1 (http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2007/05/08/geek-out-xbox-uber-boss-robbie-bach-takes-a-shot-at-nintendo-s-underpowered-wii-does-he-manage-to-score-a-bulls-eye-or-just-shoot-himself-in-the-foot.aspx) (Link for details.)

The Wii has had no third party support and outside of Manhunt 2, there is nothing else outside of Nintendo first-party coming through other than games we've played since the 80s and 90s.

Mant
01/Jun/07, 11:51 PM
Last weeks 1Up Yours cast nailed it in regards to PS3 and its upcoming titles when they said there are some cracking titles coming out for the PS3 this winter and these titles will be great for people that have already adopted the console but at the moment they are not the hard hitters that will make gamers with smaller pockets take that jump into buying the console at its current price.

Personally I think Sony could gain a lot of ground if they put more effort into their online store. It is still yet an untapped source for them and they need to take a leaf out of LIVEs book, get a similar time slot for its 'Arcade' title releases so it keeps pressure for new content on their side while boosting user hype for the consumer side, then along side that pump it full of content to a point when its almost daily, instead of releasing a lukewarm bundle of tripe every end of the week.

They are Sony after all, they can pull so much more content in from their musical and film divisions that's shocking to see this isn't being pulled into the PSN yet.

My tuppence worth.

gEEzER
20/Jun/07, 07:01 PM
Sony needs to lower the price. Developers have been saying this as well and they are the ones that decide whether or not to make games. Sony is outperforming Walt Disney and Time Warner. In this case they have to lose money (ok more money) to make money. At one point they should also buy a developer as they are losing exclusives left and right (thanks to Kutaragi).

LiamKenna
20/Jun/07, 07:40 PM
I think the biggest problem that Sony are facing right now is the price, people see the PS3 for £425, and a Xbox or Wii in the same store the are more likely to go with one of the cheaper options. If Sony lowered the price the would sell more consoles, and the money the lose will be made back with software sales. The other problem is content full retail games at the moment are pretty bad, there is 5 maybe 6 games on the console that are worth the money, more consoles will sell later one, when games like Heavenly Sword, Metal Gear and Lair see a release, but as of right now people will look at the PS3 games, and look at the 360 games and the decision of what to buy is a no brainer. And as Ant said, the Playstation store needs a MAJOR overhaul, exspecially in Europe, it is hard for for me take anything on there seriously at the moment,bar a couple of games. The demoes are nice but there are next to none availiable. We need to see games like Calling all Cars and the Playstation one games released with some sort of consistency. Things like Joust are a joke, give use more MK2 or Tekken quility games, add some demoes, get some downloadable content going at it will be a huge improvement. The Playstation 3 is a great machine, it just needs to find it's feet and get noticed, which it can only do buy bringing out some killer apps and letting the Playstation store draw in the casual gamer crowd.